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originally posted by: Sahabi
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
• "other side": the Inquisitors of the Authoritative Religious Institutions.
• "whose secrets": the secrets of knowledge, science, and philosophy.
"Exposure of secrets of evil people would not mean good people need to keep secrets. Good has no reason to hide."
People were arrested, tortured, and executed by religious inquisitions simply for propagating science, philosophy, and alternative religious interpretations. This was plenty reason for intellectuals to work in secrecy.
originally posted by: Sahabi
originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Sahabi
One simple question for you.
If they are for all good things, why the secrecy?
• Another reason for secrecy is that; in philosophic and metaphysical endeavors, if someone point-blank tells you something that you did not have a chance to work on or think of for yourself,... 1. It loses it's importance, and 2. You may reject it. If a very important concept is told to you directly, it forever takes away the magical moment of epiphany and self-realization.
For example, you can not be told who you are, you must determine that on your own. As soon as someone else tells us who we are, we push it away as an unwanted judgmental opinion.
• Another point is akin to Jesus' teaching in Matthew 7:6; "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."
This means, certain teachings must be carefully imparted only to those who are worthy,... because a wicked person will use the teachings for wicked intentions,... and a person incapable of understanding will lead themselves astray with their own error.
"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence. The phrase gives three examples of the "unalienable rights" which the Declaration says have been given to all human beings by their Creator, and which governments are created to protect.
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Sahabi
One of the comments I came across that kind of gave me pause for though was that Trump defeated both the Bush and the Clinton camps .Extending that thought forward it was not hard to imagine that to have TNWO would require a choice to both appease and control . The two party system of two sides of the same coin moving the people where they want to go or be is born out with the Hegelian dialectic .
The thing for me personally is that Hegel describes what goes on in a spiritual sense .
Would any of Hegel have any component you can identify within yourself and your group ? I only ask because if true then remaining static is not a option and the discharge would manifest in a progressive direction .ie. past history and doctrines developing to something other then ...
That's more a discussion of magic
"Jesus also never said to keep things secret"
"the Words he shared are NOT secret, and the knowledge is available for all."
He said, “The knowledge of the secrets (mystēria, μυστήρια) of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that;
"Though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand."
This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God.
1 Corinthians 14:2
For the person who speaks in a foreign language is not actually speaking to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands him, because he is talking about secrets (mystēria, μυστήρια) by the Spirit.
The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.
This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand."
In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving."
For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.
early 14c., in a theological sense, "religious truth via divine revelation, hidden spiritual significance, mystical truth," from Anglo-French *misterie, Old French mistere "secret, mystery, hidden meaning" (Modern French mystère), from Latin mysterium "secret rite, secret worship; a secret thing," from Greek mysterion (usually in plural mysteria) "secret rite or doctrine," from mystes "one who has been initiated," from myein "to close, shut" (see mute (adj.)); perhaps referring to the lips (in secrecy) or to the eyes (only initiates were allowed to see the sacred rites).
The Greek word was used in Septuagint for "secret counsel of God," translated in Vulgate as sacramentum. Non-theological use in English, "a hidden or secret thing," is from late 14c. In reference to the ancient rites of Greece, Egypt, etc. it is attested from 1640s. Meaning "detective story" first recorded in English 1908.
He simply said don't share treasures with people who will not accept them.
Do not give dogs what is holy (hagion, ἅγιον); do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
originally posted by: ThereIsNoHandle
I have heard several people say that the Illuminati is the name
given to the all the secret societies of today. I have heard of the
Bavarian Illuminati, Adam Weishaupt(sp), and other things. I notice some people
talk of the Templars and Freemasons as if they were all one and the same.
Of course, any real information on the net is most likely shrouded, and pretty
much all youtube videos of the subject are absurd at best
Maybe some of it is true, but I'm sure it also has a large heap of horse poop as a side dish