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The Ongoing Saga of ACA-ObamaCare Repeal and Replace.

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posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 02:45 AM
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February 6, 2017

THIS IS MADDENING! For 7 FREAKIN YEARS, virtually every Senate and U.S. House Republican has campaigned on, and been elected/re-elected by promising to Repeal Obamacare.

In 2010, Republicans said, "Give us the U.S. House and we'll get to work on the REPEAL ASAP!" In 2012, they captured a majority in the U.S. House of Representatives.
AND DID NOTHING!

Then, they said, "Give us a majority in the U.S. Senate, and OBAMACARE IS GONE!"
In 2014, Republicans captured a majority in the U.S. Senate.
AND DID NOTHING!

In 2015, Republicans told gullible voters, "All we need now is a Republican President, to work with the Republican Senate and House majority. Give us a Republican President, and ObamaCare will be STRUCK DOWN ON DAY #1.. WE PROMISE YOU!

With the November 8, 2016 election of Republican Donald J. Trump as U.S. President, Republicans got everything they wanted.. a PERFECT TRIFECTA OF POWER. Oh goodie...Right?

WRONG!

Here we are... February 6, 2017. ObamaCare is still imploding, with health premiums soaring, deductibles soaring, and doctors refusing to accept patients who have that "horrible Obamacare insurance".

What Are Republican Congressional Leaders saying, now that the public has trusted them 3 times in row regarding ObamaCare repeal promises?

1. After returning from their annual "Republican Retreat" last week, GOP leadership said that they've changed their mind. They're going to REPAIR Obamacare. NOT Repeal it.
Source: www.conservativereview.com...

2. In a behind-the-scenes move, reminiscent of how Obama's HHS operated, the Trump Administration is quietly preparing measures that will "Strengthen and stabilize the ObamaCare Insurance Marketplace"
Source: www.fiercehealthcare.com...

3. In an interview yesterday, President Trump told Fox News's BIll O'Reilly, that ObamaCare will likely be with us until sometime in 2018! That's when a "really wonderful plan" will be ready. (Between ongoing crises, other projects, and Congress only working 167 days.. ObamaCare is here to stay.)
Source: www.huffingtonpost.com...

All the Senators need to do is set up subsidized high-risk pools for those who have pre-existing conditions, or allow them to buy into Medicare. And then, repeal Obamacare the next day. Everyone who doesn't have chronic medical conditions can simply buy a health plan that fits their needs and budget in the free market, just like pre-2010...pre-Obamacare.


Prior to his inauguration, and just after, President Trump was forceful with telling Republicans what he wanted. But...after he returned from that Republican Retreat last week, President Trump was a different man. Except for telling Senator McConnell to "go nuclear" on his Gorsuch Supreme Court pick, Donald Trump stopped talking about the campaign promises that require interaction with, and approval from, Congress. It's like they told him at the Republican Retreat to focus only on things that can be done via Executive Order. ("Slow down, and quit pestering us to work hard like you Mr. President, or we'll revolt!")

-CareWeMust
edit on 2/6/2017 by carewemust because: Republicans Can't Keep Anything Simple.




posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 03:16 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

You can't just wave a magic wand. Repeal the act and then what? What about all of the people who have paid into it expecting coverage.

2018 sounds a little too good. It is not just dealing with the legislation, you have to deal with the whole bureaucratic monster that it now is.

Wait and see.

Not every thing can be accomplished in his first few weeks.

P



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 03:23 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

I'll tell you why.

ACA is a bonanza for the insurance companies. I don't care what anyone says, the GOP and the DEMs are both in bed with that industry.

Trump has no power to go it alone. So now you see the slow roll. What real choice does he have, but to play the long game? He can only fight on so many fronts.

On a related note, it's interesting how the left demonizes wall-street, but never seems to say anything about the insurance industry. When you consider that industry's power, money, control, excesses, abuses and influence, you'd think they'd be featured prominently on the left's Mount Rushmore of villains.

This one is going to take some time to fix.

I predict that if the noise settles down on other issues, Trump will use his base to pressure the GOP to get moving right before the midterms.

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posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 03:24 AM
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a reply to: pheonix358

At least remove the rules that keep insurance companies from resurrecting policies that existed before 2010. Right now, health insurance that doesn't meet ObamaCare's strict and overburdened guidelines, is ILLLEGAL.

I have no problem with the Repeal delay. But I have lots of clients who want to get a health insurance plan that does not have mandated maternity care, mental care, a piece of crap medical provider network ... the plan that THEY WANT. Not the one that the Federal Government tells them that they MUST have.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 03:27 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

I still think that if you eliminate the restriction against competition across state lines and force health care providers to publish rates for services, 80% of the expense problem would resolve itself.

The fact those two simple things don't happen says a lot about who is being held captive, imo.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 03:29 AM
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If he didn't have to fight uphill battles on every move he makes he might be able to get more done in less time. 2 weeks is not so far into his term to begin worrying that he won't get things done. IMHO



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 03:30 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

I think what they are doing is, waiting until they roll out their replacement plan. Remember the Patient Freedom Act 2017 briefing? I think once they have a replacement ready they are going to make it available for people already on Obamacare to switch over to or just opt out. They really can't just say FU to everyone on it. That's 20 million voters we're talking about.

I think once the current administrations alternative is ready to go. They will let people start jumping ship to it or the newly available "screw your government insurance" option. Then they'll let Obamacare slowly die and kill itself and whoever is still on it would jump ship when they couldn't afford it any longer. Politically speaking it's a beautiful plan.

Edit to add, they did mention that the new Healthcare plan (whatever it ends up being) will be auto enrollment. Which would basically cut down the premiums a lot because way more than 20 million will be enrolled right off the bat. At least that's how I understand it. So don't be surprised in the near future if you hear "it's unconstitutional they signed me up for health insurance".
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posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 03:30 AM
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a reply to: loam

The ACA is not a money maker for MOST of the Blue Crosses of the country. Only for the companies that have government contracts to administer Medicaid. AETNA, CENTENE and United Healthcare are setting records for profits, thanks to ObamaCare.

Obama used to call the Insurance Companies "EVIL", when he was pushing for Single-Payer, in 2009. Bernie Sanders labels them as EVIL, every day of his life.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 03:40 AM
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a reply to: PlasticWizard

The replacement "plan" need be nothing more than opening the door to allow people without chronic/bad health conditions to escape back to insurance plans that meet their need and budget. Those who need to stay on ObamaCare can do so, complete with subsidies to help pay the sky-high cost. That process can be started immediately.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 03:49 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

They floated around Medicare for all before the election a little. Not sure why they stopped talking about it. That would be awesome if they went that route.

NM.. Must have seen it recently.. Idk seems like I heard about this before this article.

www.forbes.com...
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posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 03:54 AM
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The republicans have had years to come up with a plan to transition away from Obama care. I really don't see any valid excuse for why it hasn't been replaced yet.

I'm not effected by it at all thankfully, but my family certainly has been. Their deductibles and co-pays have gone up almost 100%. It's ridiculous.

Hopefully they get off their ineffectual asses in the next 5 years or so before I need to deal with it.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 05:41 AM
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a reply to: carewemust




Edit to add, they did mention that the new Healthcare plan (whatever it ends up being) will be auto enrollment. Which would basically cut down the premiums a lot because way more than 20 million will be enrolled right off the bat. At least that's how I understand it. So don't be surprised in the near future if you hear "it's unconstitutional they signed me up for health insurance".


so, in other words, we are going from "we can't afford the HEALTHCARE, to tough crap, if you don't get the health insurance you will be fined unless we deem you to be unable to afford it, to tough crap, your getting the insurance even it it means you end up living in a cardboard box... and, the actual health care out of pocket cost will still be out of many people's reach. this must be what we get when fascism and socialism get married and have offspring!!



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 09:48 AM
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I guess its Obamas fault the trump cabinet kept making promises and writing checks they couldn't clear.
Thanks obama.

Its hard to admit ones been honey-poted... number of promises kept... lets say : check.

In la la land, hillary is indicted, ACA has been repealed and replaced by a great program for Americans, and the plans for the 'great' wall construction are rolling, and numerous jobs created or in the process of being created! And other countries fear trump's threats and we're now admired abroad and the country is beginning to raly and unite behind the reps, and the working class and middle class finally has someone who is looking out for their best interest and not big corps and the rich with loosened regulations on their dealings.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: PlasticWizard

Medicare-for-all was "floated"...just like the current Republican thinking..to KEEP ObamaCare, but "Repair" it over time. Like I said in the O.P., the Republican Leadership told Donald Trump 2018 at earliest, when he was at their private PA meeting last week. That's why he completely abandoned the Repeal/Replace talk from that point forward.

With Congress only working 167 days (ave 3 days a week) this year, it's not likely that Tax Reform will make much progress either. That has to be incredibly frustrating to a President who works +12 hour days, 6 days a week.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 10:01 AM
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Forget repeal and replace.

Our liberal friends have given us another path to take.

Just declare every city,town,state in the union a 'Sanctuary'.

And guess what people ?

There is NOTHING they can do about it.



posted on Feb, 6 2017 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

The lack of end quote is confusing in your post. But if you watch the PFA 2017 Video, Basically we would be going from the " can't afford it, FU.. Take it or get hit with a fine " Mr. Obama hit us with.. To.." can't afford ACA or don't like the new plan, just opt out, don't have insurance and not get fined "

The part about auto enrollment is to get the premiums down right off the bat. You could always opt out immediately or if your already on ACA, just keep it.

Fascism wouldn't allow you to have the option to opt out. Which is what we currently have with ACA.
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posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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Tuesday, February 7, 2017

FWIW: CNN is hosting a live ObamaCare/Healthcare debate tonight between Senators BERNIE SANDERS and TED CRUZ at 9pm Eastern.

More Info: www.newsmax.com...



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 02:16 PM
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Let us play a game.

I need a new roof for my house. Roofing in my area is REALLY expensive. Without a new roof the value of my property will be reduced to nothing in no time. I cannot afford a new roof because it is too expensive.

I want everyone who has a great roof to pay for my new roof, you know, because mine is so expensive and I can't afford it. So I demand, because of cost, that each of my neighbors with a good roof give me 600 dollars for my new roof. They don't need that new roof money for their own place, and because it is SO EXPENSIVE for me I need them to cover the costs.

Now, no one will ever say this is a good idea, nor for a new engine for your car, or new shoes for your kids or for a granny flat for your mom. Why?

The reason is easy. The Medical Union of Medical Professionals realized, around the time of Nixon (who sought to introduce universal healthcare) that they could print money simply by making insurance the same thing as health care: they are totally different things. The also worked to establish a complete system of long term continuous symptom treatment being the norm - ween people off of cures and get them addicted to expensive treatment of symptoms.

40 years later we reached a point where people not only cannot pay for expensive continuous long term treatment of symptoms on their own, they can no longer accept personal responsibility for their own health - government polices the true owners of your health: Medical Union (pharma, hospitals, doctors).

Consider the world where you have to pay for medical treatment in the same way you have to pay for a new roof. Consider in that world, treatment toward cures is desirable. In the world we live in, sorry to say, the economic model says, "healthy people are very, very, very bad for business."

The republican bravado about repealing was nonsense for obvious reasons, they knew they didn't have votes to change it, so they were just bar room bullies claiming they kicked the ass of everyone no one's ever heard of or will meet. There was no chance they would have to put up, so no need to shut up.

Now we're stuck. The Medical Union is a trillion dollar system that has no interest of ever giving up the golden goose, the government only does what it is told by them, and the population is doomed because no one will ever give, ever. There is no chance the population will take control of their health now and there is no chance the Medical Union will give up control over your health.



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: loam




I still think that if you eliminate the restriction against competition across state lines and force health care providers to publish rates for services, 80% of the expense problem would resolve itself.

Very true.
Why wont they change this in the mean time?
Seems simple enough no?



posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: loam

Occurs it was, it was the secret way out of the recession because they could not get in the bandwagon of tax money give away.

Remember when we took that bill here before it was passed, because remember also We need to pass the bill to know what is in it, Nancy Pelosi famous quote.

We dissected that bill here in ATS, and while the insurance companies make sure they got a mandate, they also got no restrictions on how much they would gouge the consumer.

Then the insurance drop everybody to create monopolies that was not part of the agreement.

But that is what happen when is not regulations.

It was an insurance bonanza alright. They wrote it and they got passed.




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