a reply to: The angel of light
Forgive me Angel of light, I would ask that you permit one comment from me on the devotion to our lady.
Now for those whom are trying to steer this thread in that direction which is NOT the purpose of the thread I want to correct you on some very
The Orthodox (which includes LATIN orthodox aka Catholic, Syriac Orthodox - the oldest continuous church, the Ethiopian orthodox, Coptic, Armenian,
and Greek Orthodoxy - including it's offspring the Russian Orthodox) all have devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary and indeed it is one of the OLDEST
continuous tradition's in the Christian World.
Now you know Jesus loved his apostles and when he was on the Cross he made his mother the mother of an apostle, all the apostles were united through
the Sacrament of his body so she therefore was the mother of them all and all that are united to Christ in his body.
Do you understand that, you are trying to take this thread off it's subject to attack Catholicism when in fact it is not only catholic but indeed All
She suffered with every pain of her son, she had to watch her son die on that cross and she knew it was coming, remember his discussion with her at
the wedding were he turned water into wine at her request.
The Mother does not save you, you believe but she can and does intercede for you (Prays for you) and Jesus listens to her because unlike us (Except
by the remission of sin's through the Blood of the Lamb of God) she alone is Sinless.
Now you can say all you like about how she is not your saviour and conveniently ignore the fact GOD chose her alone to be his vessel to come into
this world but it was not only the Catholic's and indeed all orthodox and Original Christian sect's have deep devotion to the Mother of Christ.
Now I am NOT going to answer any more on this thread on this subject but wish that you also not comment, if you feel so strongly please start a new
thread on this subject.
I for one wish to hear more about these other relics.
There was indeed a problem in the medieval period, a time when the great cathedrals were built and used by the lord's and king's to rake in vast
fortune's from the Devoted pilgrims' of the day whom were in fact the Tourist's of there day and there were simply not enough saint's finger bone's
and miraculous artefacts to go around and this did indeed cause a period of forgery's but by no mean's are all the artefacts actually forgery's and in
it's defence the Catholic Church did all it could to test and validate any claimed artefacts, much as they do when a person dies whom has been
extremely devoted and were miraculous occurrences have taken place.
Now just to skip back on moment, saint's are another problem for many of you, well Jesus once told that in the Resurrection (he is the resurrection
and the way and the life) that there is no difference between a man and a woman, they shall have new forms' (body's) like the Angels - "Like the
Angels", angels do god's will don't they, they work miracles in God's name and serve him?, so Saint's become Angel's get it in Christ's Kingdom.
This is personal for me because My mother had the afterbirth left in by a incompetent mid wife and suffered septicaemia after one of my elder sisters
was born, she died (heart stopped) and had what you would call an NDE and she saw a beautiful radiant woman on mountain's beckoning her whom she
recognized as the Virgin Mary (She is Anglican by the way but had us baptized Catholic), she wanted to go to her but then thought about her children
being left with no one, her husband was abusive and not fit to be around them so she turned and ran back down this mountain she found herself upon and
away from her vision of the holy mother, her true mother and came back to life, she has suffered both before and after this in her life but for many
of you it is all simply academic and if it does not mesh with your version then it fail's your test.
Keep your mind's open this is not a threat to attack any religion or denomination but one that is about relic's.
Sorry about going off the subject Angel and I shall definitely not reply to any answers to this from them, I just wanted to give them something to
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