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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: tabularosa
I see a liberal as a patriot, a real American. A true liberal will make every effort to hear and understand the point of view of another person. A true conservative makes no such claim.


Im not sure if you are speaking historically or currently, but if you are speaking currently you could not have it more backward.

Coming from a centrist/libertarian




posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: tabularosa
I see a liberal as a patriot, a real American. A true liberal will make every effort to hear and understand the point of view of another person. A true conservative makes no such claim. Considering that no person on Earth asks to be here but should have the inalienable right to live their life as they choose (as long as it does not harm another person), does it not fit that a person should at least respect the perspective of others? This is not the same as agreement, of course, but it does follow in the vein of can't we all just get along? If a person truly believes in America and its constitution, is it not incumbent upon that person to allow others to live their lives as they choose, assuming that person is in pursuit of happiness and is not harming others, whether in agreement or not with alternate perspectives? That's the way I see it anyhow, and IMHO it is wrong to demand others conform to arbitrary laws that are made with the stroke of a pen. There are ample things that are legal that should be illegal, and vice versa. It's just a matter of perspective.


Perspective...

You say that only liberals hear other points of view and that no conservatives do.

Then I suggest the liberals don't defend the most conservative people on the planet - Muslims who don't hear you and want to kill you for being you! - unless of course the liberal says, "As long as you only think it, but never do it..."

As a slightly more conservative thinking individual, I am able to see that you think you sound patriotic, but you really sound uninformed.

Inform yourself instead of living in idea land. It's a favorite place of mine, as well, but too much reality has infected my happy place.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TarzanBeta



Why do you choose to be blind?

I myself got glasses and contacts because I hate being blind.


I think I have a pretty good grip on things, but I appreciate the concern.



The left is defending ISLAM, a far-right authoritarian ideology which seeks to destroy every single thing the left stands for.


Islam should be defended, as religious freedom is everyone's right. I don't see Islam seeking to destroy anything. I see groups of people using religion and culture as an excuse to commit horrible acts.


Islam should be defended?

Go read their books! The Muslims should be saved, indeed, but Islam should be refused! Haven't you even read the Qu'ran? If you have and you're saying it should be defended, that puts either your mind or your loyalty in a questionable place.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TarzanBeta



I don't watch Fox news and didn't know Bill O'Reilly was smart enough to see that far ahead.

Ah, yes. Oreilly is known for his super powers.


The Left is not employing Islam.


I've spoken to you...replied to you, and while I feel you are wrong...I respect that you are intelligent. That is the truth and I never ignore the truth. But I must say this.

If you don't see what Islam is all about, from their side and how it has become a tool of the left...I think you are limiting your value and your capabilities. I'm simply going to make a suggestion and you can decide if you wish to educate yourself. And I don't mean indoctrinate...I mean educate.

Spend some time with an open mind speaking with, or reading about our military citizens and their experience in the Middle East. Read what their Commanders say, what their government says and what they...as boots on the ground, know. Follow that investigative path for a week and you may find yourself...enlightened. No! Don't just read and believe...think...ponder and look.

You, my friend...may be shocked. And if you are...I will welcome you as a learned person, not an ignorant person who made mistakes.

I hope that makes sense. But please...try this path and see what YOU decide.


You assume that I have not already had those conversations, or looked in to the issue whatsoever. My conclusion is that blaming Islam is the lazy way of looking at the situation.

You have to look at not only the religion, but also the culture, politics, economics, history, etc to get the full picture and many people are not willing to look at the entire scenario. They focus on just one aspect and wonder why not everyone sees it as they do.

If you look at Islam as a whole, you will see that it's not the religion that the problem. It's a mixture of violent culture, social and political strife AND religion that create the problem.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TarzanBeta



I don't watch Fox news and didn't know Bill O'Reilly was smart enough to see that far ahead.

Ah, yes. Oreilly is known for his super powers.


The Left is not employing Islam.


I've spoken to you...replied to you, and while I feel you are wrong...I respect that you are intelligent. That is the truth and I never ignore the truth. But I must say this.

If you don't see what Islam is all about, from their side and how it has become a tool of the left...I think you are limiting your value and your capabilities. I'm simply going to make a suggestion and you can decide if you wish to educate yourself. And I don't mean indoctrinate...I mean educate.

Spend some time with an open mind speaking with, or reading about our military citizens and their experience in the Middle East. Read what their Commanders say, what their government says and what they...as boots on the ground, know. Follow that investigative path for a week and you may find yourself...enlightened. No! Don't just read and believe...think...ponder and look.

You, my friend...may be shocked. And if you are...I will welcome you as a learned person, not an ignorant person who made mistakes.

I hope that makes sense. But please...try this path and see what YOU decide.


You assume that I have not already had those conversations, or looked in to the issue whatsoever. My conclusion is that blaming Islam is the lazy way of looking at the situation.

You have to look at not only the religion, but also the culture, politics, economics, history, etc to get the full picture and many people are not willing to look at the entire scenario. They focus on just one aspect and wonder why not everyone sees it as they do.

If you look at Islam as a whole, you will see that it's not the religion that the problem. It's a mixture of violent culture, social and political strife AND religion that create the problem.


They live in religious states.

All the issues you're talking about derive from their authority - Qu'ran.

That is the foundation of their entire structure.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: TarzanBeta



Islam should be defended?


Religious liberty should be defended, whether you're a Muslim or a follower of the Fonz.



Go read their books! The Muslims should be saved, indeed, but Islam should be refused! Haven't you even read the Qu'ran?


Some pretty crazy stuff in there. Kind of like the bible. Religion is not my cup of tea and it doesn't make much sense to me, but people should be free to believe what they want.



If you have and you're saying it should be defended, that puts either your mind or your loyalty in a questionable place.


Loyalty? Loyalty to whom or what?

I think my position is loyal to the spirit and intent of the Constitution.

Or are you implying that I am un-american because of my stance on this issue?



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: TarzanBeta

I have thought about it. I just have also thought about all the factors involved outside of religion. Islam is not the biggest player on the stage at the moment. It's just a tool being used by others. Granted, a tool that frequently gets out of control of the ones trying to use it.

Which is why it is being put in check at the moment. ISIS has gathered the bulk of the fanatics in a few places. Almost as if it was strategically designed to do so. Imagine that. American and Russian Troops will soon probably wipe them out. Six of the seven countries on the list have been destabilized. Pressure is being put on the seventh. Its almost as if Islamic fanatics were used, to destabilize an entire region. That it was all planned from the beginning. That the people using it knew exactly what the tool they were using would do.

And now that it's done. Immigration has been halted from those areas. And America's sights have been set somewhere else. Towards Asia. I wonder if Buddhists will become the evil enemy next? Because sometimes a religious persons own bias is used by those in power to manipulate them into doing exactly what said power wants.

I also wonder if all the divisiveness here in the United States is part of a bigger plan? But that would mean we are all dancing to someone else' s tune. However, no one likes to admit they are being manipulated. Everyone wants to be right. It is a human need.

So lets just see what happens. Being antagonistic and acting superior. Does not really change peoples minds. If anything it does the opposite.

What will be will be. I'm only human. I can't know the future. Underestimating an enemy is stupid. Lying to oneself and denying something can turn on you and become an enemy is stupid. Never questioning oneself on why thinking someone is an enemy is stupid. Believing one is too smart to be manipulated is stupid.

I'm stupid.

Think about it.




edit on 4-2-2017 by karmicecstasy because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: TarzanBeta
Islam should be defended?

Go read their books! The Muslims should be saved, indeed, but Islam should be refused! Haven't you even read the Qu'ran?


I haven't read the Qu'ran.

But the bible tells me all I need to know about Islam.

Christians believe that Jesus is LORD.

But, Muslims believe that Jesus is just a PROPHET.

Islam says that another Prophet, called Mohammad, came in the name of the LORD, to give a new message.

Before Islam, the Bible already predicted the coming of Mohammad, and recorded this message about Islam:



"He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; -- KJV, Matthew 10:41


So, you see, the Muslims received a Prophet [Mohammad], in the name of a Prophet [Jesus=LORD], so Islam was foretold in the Bible, long before Mohammad actually came, that the new religion would deny that the LORD is Jesus, and refer to him as just a Prophet, and their new prophet Mohammad would yet claim that the LORD sent him, so Muslims will receive the reward that a Prophet[a man] can give to men.

One day, many Muslims will see this, and will convert, just before the last days, to Christianity.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TarzanBeta



Islam should be defended?


Religious liberty should be defended, whether you're a Muslim or a follower of the Fonz.



Go read their books! The Muslims should be saved, indeed, but Islam should be refused! Haven't you even read the Qu'ran?


Some pretty crazy stuff in there. Kind of like the bible. Religion is not my cup of tea and it doesn't make much sense to me, but people should be free to believe what they want.



If you have and you're saying it should be defended, that puts either your mind or your loyalty in a questionable place.


Loyalty? Loyalty to whom or what?

I think my position is loyal to the spirit and intent of the Constitution.

Or are you implying that I am un-american because of my stance on this issue?


Freedom of religion is good. I'm not talking about banning Islam. I'm talking about converting Muslims to Christ - which you couldn't possibly recognize as a solution, yet.

And loyalty to the Constitution is good, but so is knowing your enemy. You have one thing right, but the other so wrong that you'll lose the first thing you have right to the second thing on which you are wrong.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: TarzanBeta

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TarzanBeta



I don't watch Fox news and didn't know Bill O'Reilly was smart enough to see that far ahead.

Ah, yes. Oreilly is known for his super powers.


The Left is not employing Islam.


I've spoken to you...replied to you, and while I feel you are wrong...I respect that you are intelligent. That is the truth and I never ignore the truth. But I must say this.

If you don't see what Islam is all about, from their side and how it has become a tool of the left...I think you are limiting your value and your capabilities. I'm simply going to make a suggestion and you can decide if you wish to educate yourself. And I don't mean indoctrinate...I mean educate.

Spend some time with an open mind speaking with, or reading about our military citizens and their experience in the Middle East. Read what their Commanders say, what their government says and what they...as boots on the ground, know. Follow that investigative path for a week and you may find yourself...enlightened. No! Don't just read and believe...think...ponder and look.

You, my friend...may be shocked. And if you are...I will welcome you as a learned person, not an ignorant person who made mistakes.

I hope that makes sense. But please...try this path and see what YOU decide.


You assume that I have not already had those conversations, or looked in to the issue whatsoever. My conclusion is that blaming Islam is the lazy way of looking at the situation.

You have to look at not only the religion, but also the culture, politics, economics, history, etc to get the full picture and many people are not willing to look at the entire scenario. They focus on just one aspect and wonder why not everyone sees it as they do.

If you look at Islam as a whole, you will see that it's not the religion that the problem. It's a mixture of violent culture, social and political strife AND religion that create the problem.


They live in religious states.

All the issues you're talking about derive from their authority - Qu'ran.

That is the foundation of their entire structure.


Not all Muslims live in religious states and seem to be doing just fine all across the planet, except in areas where religion has been mixed with toxic culture, economic and social strife.

To simply blame Islam is intellectually lazy. There is a lot more to it than just that.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Your bible reference Allah=Baal



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: TarzanBeta



Freedom of religion is good. I'm not talking about banning Islam. I'm talking about converting Muslims to Christ - which you couldn't possibly recognize as a solution, yet.


Why would I care about converting them? Christianity is just as nutty as Islam, the difference being that Christianity has not been exposed to toxic cultures and issues like Islam has in the Middle East.



And loyalty to the Constitution is good, but so is knowing your enemy. You have one thing right, but the other so wrong that you'll lose the first thing you have right to the second thing on which you are wrong.


Muslims are not my enemy. Idiots of all kinds are the ones I watch out for.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: TarzanBeta
Islam should be defended?

Go read their books! The Muslims should be saved, indeed, but Islam should be refused! Haven't you even read the Qu'ran?


I haven't read the Qu'ran.

But the bible tells me all I need to know about Islam.

Christians believe that Jesus is LORD.

But, Muslims believe that Jesus is just a PROPHET.

Islam says that another Prophet, called Mohammad, came in the name of the LORD, to give a new message.

Before Islam, the Bible already predicted the coming of Mohammad, and recorded this message about Islam:



"He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; -- KJV, Matthew 10:41


So, you see, the Muslims received a Prophet [Mohammad], in the name of a Prophet [Jesus=LORD], so Islam was foretold in the Bible, long before Mohammad actually came, that the new religion would deny that the LORD is Jesus, and refer to him as just a Prophet, and their new prophet Mohammad would yet claim that the LORD sent him, so Muslims will receive the reward that a Prophet[a man] can give to men.

One day, many Muslims will see this, and will convert, just before the last days, to Christianity.







Of the passage you quoted; do you know what Mohammed's reward was?

this

Do you know what Jesus's reward was?

Resurrection.

So, which prophet had the greater reward? And which reward would you choose?

But I agree, many will convert to Christianity because of this.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TarzanBeta



I don't watch Fox news and didn't know Bill O'Reilly was smart enough to see that far ahead.

Ah, yes. Oreilly is known for his super powers.


The Left is not employing Islam.


I've spoken to you...replied to you, and while I feel you are wrong...I respect that you are intelligent. That is the truth and I never ignore the truth. But I must say this.

If you don't see what Islam is all about, from their side and how it has become a tool of the left...I think you are limiting your value and your capabilities. I'm simply going to make a suggestion and you can decide if you wish to educate yourself. And I don't mean indoctrinate...I mean educate.

Spend some time with an open mind speaking with, or reading about our military citizens and their experience in the Middle East. Read what their Commanders say, what their government says and what they...as boots on the ground, know. Follow that investigative path for a week and you may find yourself...enlightened. No! Don't just read and believe...think...ponder and look.

You, my friend...may be shocked. And if you are...I will welcome you as a learned person, not an ignorant person who made mistakes.

I hope that makes sense. But please...try this path and see what YOU decide.


You assume that I have not already had those conversations, or looked in to the issue whatsoever. My conclusion is that blaming Islam is the lazy way of looking at the situation.

You have to look at not only the religion, but also the culture, politics, economics, history, etc to get the full picture and many people are not willing to look at the entire scenario. They focus on just one aspect and wonder why not everyone sees it as they do.

If you look at Islam as a whole, you will see that it's not the religion that the problem. It's a mixture of violent culture, social and political strife AND religion that create the problem.

A star for a change from me. but add this

My Shiite friends, and I have several who hold this belief i am about to share with you, are not the ones who hate people not like them. They are more European/American thinkers than the folks in Cali. SO they will tell me that the Whabbi's took over the religion and THAT version is the ISIS and AL Qaeda...... There is Sunni control of Shiite territory and where the two are too far away from 'civilized cities of Islam" there is war between them. So the behead and rape version is there and the Iranian Kuwati Kurdish peoples DONT believe that version and is why in open battle the wild men of ISIS rape their women and behead them too.
edit on 4-2-2017 by Justoneman because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TarzanBeta



Freedom of religion is good. I'm not talking about banning Islam. I'm talking about converting Muslims to Christ - which you couldn't possibly recognize as a solution, yet.


Why would I care about converting them? Christianity is just as nutty as Islam, the difference being that Christianity has not been exposed to toxic cultures and issues like Islam has in the Middle East.



And loyalty to the Constitution is good, but so is knowing your enemy. You have one thing right, but the other so wrong that you'll lose the first thing you have right to the second thing on which you are wrong.


Muslims are not my enemy. Idiots of all kinds are the ones I watch out for.


You're very uninformed and you're purposefully ignoring what actually drives all people: a fundamental way of thinking.

You think from the outside in instead of the inside out. You're the kind of doctor that treats the symptoms instead of the disease.

To love one's enemies is the art of the Bible. To destroy one's enemies is the art of the Qu'ran.

Until you see this, you can never even begin to debate reality.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: HumanoidX
a reply to: Bloodydagger



Without exception I'm here everyday, but rarely login since loosing the ability to access my orig. acct. and its to say..

There have been many changes over my 53 yrs, but its not often has there's been such a pathetic attempt by the left
on America in all its greatness and our way of life. Remember the Patriots are still here..

We came out on election day and we will do our by our part if deemed necessary to protect our Great Nation.

Step back and Look at the big picture and maybe even see who is the real enemy here.





America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln


In Addition..Turn Off CNN, (in fact all tele news), get your head out of your damn phone and at least try to talk with those with opposing views face to face. I honestly think they believe the biased nonsense CNN is spewing out.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TarzanBeta



I don't watch Fox news and didn't know Bill O'Reilly was smart enough to see that far ahead.

Ah, yes. Oreilly is known for his super powers.


The Left is not employing Islam.


I've spoken to you...replied to you, and while I feel you are wrong...I respect that you are intelligent. That is the truth and I never ignore the truth. But I must say this.

If you don't see what Islam is all about, from their side and how it has become a tool of the left...I think you are limiting your value and your capabilities. I'm simply going to make a suggestion and you can decide if you wish to educate yourself. And I don't mean indoctrinate...I mean educate.

Spend some time with an open mind speaking with, or reading about our military citizens and their experience in the Middle East. Read what their Commanders say, what their government says and what they...as boots on the ground, know. Follow that investigative path for a week and you may find yourself...enlightened. No! Don't just read and believe...think...ponder and look.

You, my friend...may be shocked. And if you are...I will welcome you as a learned person, not an ignorant person who made mistakes.

I hope that makes sense. But please...try this path and see what YOU decide.


You assume that I have not already had those conversations, or looked in to the issue whatsoever. My conclusion is that blaming Islam is the lazy way of looking at the situation.

You have to look at not only the religion, but also the culture, politics, economics, history, etc to get the full picture and many people are not willing to look at the entire scenario. They focus on just one aspect and wonder why not everyone sees it as they do.

If you look at Islam as a whole, you will see that it's not the religion that the problem. It's a mixture of violent culture, social and political strife AND religion that create the problem.

A star for a change from me. but add this

My Shiite friends, and I have several who hold this belief i am about to share with you, are not the ones who hate people not like them. They are more European/American thinkers than the folks in Cali. SO they will tell me that the Whabbi's took over the religion and THAT version is the ISIS and AL Qaeda...... There is Sunni control of Shiite territory and where the two are too far away from 'civilized cities of Islam" there is war between them. So the behead and rape version is there and the Iranian Kuwati Kurdish peoples DONT believe that version and is why in open battle the wild men of ISIS rape their women and behead them too.


They are correct.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: karmicecstasy
a reply to: TarzanBeta

I have thought about it. I just have also thought about all the factors involved outside of religion. Islam is not the biggest player on the stage at the moment. It's just a tool being used by others. Granted, a tool that frequently gets out of control of the ones trying to use it.

Which is why it is being put in check at the moment. ISIS has gathered the bulk of the fanatics in a few places. Almost as if it was strategically designed to do so. Imagine that. American and Russian Troops will soon probably wipe them out. Six of the seven countries on the list have been destabilized. Pressure is being put on the seventh. Its almost as if Islamic fanatics were used, to destabilize an entire region. That it was all planned from the beginning. That the people using it knew exactly what the tool they were using would do.

And now that it's done. Immigration has been halted from those areas. And America's sights have been set somewhere else. Towards Asia. I wonder if Buddhists will become the evil enemy next? Because sometimes a religious persons own bias is used by those in power to manipulate them into doing exactly what said power wants.

I also wonder if all the divisiveness here in the United States is part of a bigger plan? But that would mean we are all dancing to someone else' s tune. However, no one likes to admit they are being manipulated. Everyone wants to be right. It is a human need.

So lets just see what happens. Being antagonistic and acting superior. Does not really change peoples minds. If anything it does the opposite.

What will be will be. I'm only human. I can't know the future. Underestimating an enemy is stupid. Lying to oneself and denying something can turn on you and become an enemy is stupid. Never questioning oneself on why thinking someone is an enemy is stupid. Believing one is too smart to be manipulated is stupid.

I'm stupid.

Think about it.





I see the game you played there.

To deny your intelligence is to lose it.

To require politics in your speech is to be beholden to kings and queens.

And to call yourself stupid so that transitively you may call me stupid, though I never called you stupid, is to put your entire speech under the label of hypocrisy.

I have consistently directed others to FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF.

I never said believe me, trust me.

If what I say is wrong, show me.

If how I say it is wrong, then know that I hate manipulation and persuasion. I listen to truth and reason. I do not respond to emotions alone.

For a Christian, you have little spirit, but a lot of false humility.

Then again, for a Christian, I'm not a very surface kind individual, and I drink too much. I'll just give you anything I own if you need it without question no matter who you are as long as you're not about to kill someone with it.

So I don't judge you, but it saddens me that you feel the need to bring me down.


edit on 2/4/2017 by TarzanBeta because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: RomeByFire
I really, really, honestly have no idea why people are foaming at the mouth at the concept of a civil war.

Absolutely # delusional.

Partanship > Country

This is such an ignorant thread filled with non-sensical replies lol.


Agreed. There will not be a civil war, but for some reason it's been brought-up numerous times recently.

What's even more interesting, is that the talk of civil war really took off after Bill Oreilly mentioned it on his show at the end of the election.

Too many people watching Fox News, I suppose.


Personally I think you both are incredibly short sighted and lack the insight if you truly believe civil war is some impossible fantasy we are only imagining. Either that or you both are too insecure and scared to face the truth. Civil war is not irrational or improbable at this point and we are already on the path towards it.


I did not say it's not possible. I just said it's not going to happen.

It appears that many people are falling for this narrative that we are a deeply divided nation and that we must engage in an epic showdown to decide which ideology is supreme. Of course that's bull#.

We may talk tough on the internet, but the vast majority of us are civil and respectful in real life...even though we disagree. There are people on both sides that go to extremes, but I do not see an indication of civil war coming.

All I see is drama queens continuing to be drama queens.


No I agree with most of what you just said, I wasn't trying to insinuate an epic fight on some battlefield. At the end of the day the war isn't even about idealogy or policies because it's pretty clear there is so much hypocrisy when it comes to that. It's a war ultimately for power and the deciding fate of the people and the entire world.

The reason I say war is imminent is because if you've been paying attention, the left WANT a war and they will stoop to any level to try and spark it. Sure most people are civil behind closed doors but you really think if Trump were to be impeached or assassinated that those who voted for him would just sit back and be OK with it? If you think the protesters and violence is bad now, imagine the next level of it. Which IMO is going to be civil war..



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TarzanBeta



I don't watch Fox news and didn't know Bill O'Reilly was smart enough to see that far ahead.

Ah, yes. Oreilly is known for his super powers.


The Left is not employing Islam.


I've spoken to you...replied to you, and while I feel you are wrong...I respect that you are intelligent. That is the truth and I never ignore the truth. But I must say this.

If you don't see what Islam is all about, from their side and how it has become a tool of the left...I think you are limiting your value and your capabilities. I'm simply going to make a suggestion and you can decide if you wish to educate yourself. And I don't mean indoctrinate...I mean educate.

Spend some time with an open mind speaking with, or reading about our military citizens and their experience in the Middle East. Read what their Commanders say, what their government says and what they...as boots on the ground, know. Follow that investigative path for a week and you may find yourself...enlightened. No! Don't just read and believe...think...ponder and look.

You, my friend...may be shocked. And if you are...I will welcome you as a learned person, not an ignorant person who made mistakes.

I hope that makes sense. But please...try this path and see what YOU decide.


You assume that I have not already had those conversations, or looked in to the issue whatsoever. My conclusion is that blaming Islam is the lazy way of looking at the situation.

You have to look at not only the religion, but also the culture, politics, economics, history, etc to get the full picture and many people are not willing to look at the entire scenario. They focus on just one aspect and wonder why not everyone sees it as they do.

If you look at Islam as a whole, you will see that it's not the religion that the problem. It's a mixture of violent culture, social and political strife AND religion that create the problem.

A star for a change from me. but add this

My Shiite friends, and I have several who hold this belief i am about to share with you, are not the ones who hate people not like them. They are more European/American thinkers than the folks in Cali. SO they will tell me that the Whabbi's took over the religion and THAT version is the ISIS and AL Qaeda...... There is Sunni control of Shiite territory and where the two are too far away from 'civilized cities of Islam" there is war between them. So the behead and rape version is there and the Iranian Kuwati Kurdish peoples DONT believe that version and is why in open battle the wild men of ISIS rape their women and behead them too.


They are correct.


No, they're not.

There are different versions, but the ones the extremists follow are the originals.

The ones who follow the apostate Islam fall into the unfortunate situation of having to confront that fact.

Even then, they are all militant. Do not be confused by ignorance and lies.




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