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Damn liberals are why we can't have nice things.

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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 07:42 PM
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a reply to: game over man

You must not have read anything at all.

I joined a new social website, it has posts kind of, but it's not a forum - More like, facebook with strangers.

One lady said she liked to eat healthy, so I responded to this post, just to try to break the ice, get situated into this website.

When it was found out that I like cheese and meat, people started attacking me, deeming me as unethical, and less of a human being for not conforming to their opinions on the matter.

The front page was covered in other things that generally left-wing people identify with more often - Bashing trump, for instance, was quite popular, and anyone who had something good to say about Trump was inherently wrong and bad.

Also people bringing up socialism - The response from some members was along the lines of " Screw you if you don't align with socialist ideals" - But most people are dumb in this department regardless. Bernie Sanders is not a socialist and did not advocate for socialism, and most liberals don't want Venezuelan-style government ( as far as I know. ) So attacking others for not aligning with socialist ideals makes no sense to begin with, because they have no idea what they're talking about.

Also, this is the mud pit. I am not here to be thought-provoking - This is my thought provoking post

Maybe I suck at being thought-provoking, maybe not, but try not to judge my posts within rant/mud-pit as my intellectual, calm, composed side - I don't use these specific forums for those causes.




posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Well, it's true that Jesus did not impose a tax in order to compel others to give to those in need. (Though He did say to render unto Caesar) But the penalty of eternal damnation * is almost as bad as that of the tax man.
So there's that.

*(from Parable of Rich Man and Lazarus)
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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 07:49 PM
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oops double post..

hope y'all are having a wonderful saturday night!
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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: zosimov

True. But if you want to bring Jesus into this discussion, Jesus promised the charitable that they would be rewarded with blessings. Forced giving is not charity and carries no such promise of blessing. So by that logic, every institutionalized charity which receives tax money is guilty of interfering with religious freedom.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Here is where my theology fails a bit, as this is the part of my faith that I still cannot (and probably will never) understand.

If the punishment for sin (to make it relate to our discussion, let's use the sin of greed as an example) is eternal hell, then is our goodness truly given freely? Let's face it, He did indeed promise blessings to those who give, but He also promised damnation to those who don't-- in a sense, forcing people to be charitable as to avoid perdition.

I'll take the taxes over damnation any day. Yes taxes are painful.. but I'm a moderate kind of girl. Don't think I'd fare too well in the flames.


It's not the best analogy but I hope it serves its purpose. By my estimate, a godly government would provide for its least fortunate. I agree with the end, even if I think the method needs a LOT of reworking.


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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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a reply to: zosimov

Well, that's getting pretty deep into the theology. Feel free to start a thread on that specific subject and drop me a PM... I'll be happy to participate.

Suffice it to say for now that Hell is not a punishment for mankind, but a certain fate. God is willing to intercept that fate if we can convince Him that we can peaceably live in a more Godly environment. That's the purpose of Jesus: to allow us a chance to prove that by submission to His teachings.

Charity is one of those teachings, but must be completely voluntary or it is not charity... it is taxation. Therefore, taxing for charitable purposes destroys the very reason Jesus established charity in the first place.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

Charity is one of those teachings, but must be completely voluntary or it is not charity... it is taxation. Therefore, taxing for charitable purposes destroys the very reason Jesus established charity in the first place.

TheRedneck


..OR serves to hedge His bets and keep His children fed


All joking aside, I very much appreciate your answer to my theological query. I just might take you up on your suggestion to start a thread on the subject, and will absolutely PM you if I do.

Have a great night Redneck.



posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 10:27 PM
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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 10:27 PM
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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 10:27 PM
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posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: zosimov

I think the intention is a lot more important than the act itself. Being charitable just for the sake of avoiding, to put it bluntly *gulp*, going to hell, rather than just doing it from the heart because you want to help people, is a huge difference . I think people that have nothing but are still willing to give deserve blessings.

I'm not a theologist or religious but that's my view on it.

About that theology thread though..



posted on Feb, 5 2017 @ 04:08 AM
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Totally feel the OP. Im center libertarian-ish and have a similar experience both on the internet and in RL. Theres some dumb crap on both extremes but I find more new liberal stuff in my face telling me what to think and say. And the racism witch hunt which is doing a great job creating racism and driving a wedge into our society. Some people that I guess are still friends now do nothing all day every day except talk about racism and who they hate and who you should hate. These are people that were doing just fine before...

And I dont agree with the religious right either...but hell, this new breed of liberal is feeding the religious right and feeding racism.

I resign from society. I have no more time for any of this negativity. I really shouldnt even reply to discuss it - I feel like even that is feeding it at this point.



posted on Feb, 5 2017 @ 04:18 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

This is the reason that a lot of groups have a no politics rule.

Every time one person starts something political on, say, a baking forum or some such, it devolves into a shouting match where people who previously got on end up screaming at each other.


You just have to accept that sometimes the political toxicity of a group or site is such that you are better off staying away.



posted on Feb, 5 2017 @ 05:59 AM
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Branding or labeling strangers on internet forums and chat-rooms isn't really a thing to be doing anyway...

Use the internet to gain a superficial understanding of how the masses brains work when they think they can utter any stupid thing they want anonymously on the (www) WorldWideWaste of Time, and take that research with you when you talk to people face to face.

I find it most humorous to hear the dimwits quote the garbage they see on TV and the internet like it was their own idea or an utterance derived from their own mental process.

Liberals make it so we can't have nice things?, really?.

WTF?...
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posted on Feb, 5 2017 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Hi and I totally agree.

My point a page back was a response to a glib remark that liberals don't know what personal responsibility is (I assume poster was referring to welfare). I wrote that a large part of our individual responsibility is to help the destitute-- to feed and clothe the poor and tend to the sick. As my resource I used a sage and brilliant source- (Jesus)

TheRedneck had some very good points about charity vs welfare, but I realize that they were not in line with the point I was making; namely, that providing for the poor as a main part of your platform is absolutely compatable with ascribing to individual responsibility. Basically that, contrary to popular belief, individual responsibility doesn't only mean taking care of your own self.

How exactly we provide for the poor is probably a discussion we need to have as a nation. Not whether we should- but how we can in a way that is beneficial to all.

And that theology thread-- well OK! I will write up a decent thread about it and PM you and TheRedneck. I hope you join!



posted on Feb, 5 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: pirhanna
Totally feel the OP. Im center libertarian-ish and have a similar experience both on the internet and in RL. Theres some dumb crap on both extremes but I find more new liberal stuff in my face telling me what to think and say. And the racism witch hunt which is doing a great job creating racism and driving a wedge into our society. Some people that I guess are still friends now do nothing all day every day except talk about racism and who they hate and who you should hate. These are people that were doing just fine before...

And I dont agree with the religious right either...but hell, this new breed of liberal is feeding the religious right and feeding racism.

I resign from society. I have no more time for any of this negativity. I really shouldnt even reply to discuss it - I feel like even that is feeding it at this point.


I applaud you for having the courage to stand up and think for yourself and not allow yourself to be brainwashed. Don't deny what your eyes see and what your heart tells you.

You are not feeding it and instead should continue to express yourself in hopes you can enlighten those still stuck in the dark.



posted on Feb, 5 2017 @ 10:52 AM
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Yes I totally agree, that's why I said intentions are the important part. Individual responsibility is objective to the individual. As long as your heart tells you it's right, it's never wrong, and it's clear you have a good heart


Yes give me a shout when you do. I'm always down to learn new things and gain new insight. I'm looking forward to it!



posted on Feb, 5 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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I'm always down to learn new things and gain new insight. I'm looking forward to it!

As am I. I'm looking forward to it as well.

TheRedneck



posted on Feb, 5 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Excellent! Please give me time to get my thoughts together cogently (big time perfectionist here) and I will let you both know when I've started the thread.

So glad to be able to discuss a subject from differing perspectives in a civilized manner! I think I can learn quite a bit from our conversation.

Have a great Sunday.
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posted on Feb, 7 2017 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: deadlyhope

Take heart. The whole world is not like that. Probably the only people that stick around on a forum like that are the ones who are building a little bubble where everyone agrees with them.

Anyone who dislikes the atmosphere is probably leaving. That does not make them the minority. It just means that they are living outside of that bubble and don't want to bother with the idiocy and abuse.

I have been realizing that more intelligent people are generally calmer and more reserved, and less likely to flip out in discussions. I think the ones who are quickly angered and attack are using some kind of defense mechanism. I have not figured out if that is due to an inferiority complex, or due to the inflated egos they get from existing in their bubble.

Living in such a bubble does not make people smarter or more informed. It is quite the opposite actually. It is calm discussion, even with those with opposing views, that opens peoples minds to ideas they might not have considered previously. Being attacked does not do anything other than turn people away from even trying to listen.

Unfortunately, it seems that colleges and universities are becoming such bubbles. I hope that the silent ones are watching and learning.



This is the effect of cognitive dissonance. It makes your brain hurt, forces you into a fight or flight sort of situation. Most people are not in "fear" of anything during a conversation, so tend to go for the fight response. Which is very loudly shout words of little meaning, until the little voice in your head saying "shhhh it's OK, you are right" is back.



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