Seattle judge blocks Trump immigration order

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: marg6043

The EO have not references of new laws or make any new laws, the laws are already established, by congress, all the EO does is enforcing existing laws.

The EO is seen to breach the Constitution , is that not the ultimate US law ?
It's discriminatory on the basis of religion.

The EO will likely be amended to remove that element and just name the countries as sponsors of terror or some suchlike.

How does it discriminate on religion? I do not recall the EO saying NO ISLAM WORSHIPPERS. It just say People from said countries.

From the EO:

to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual's country of nationality.

We don't have to guess what "minority religion" in those countries is being talked about. Do we?


From Trump:
Brody File Exclusive: President Trump Says Persecuted Christians Will Be Given Priority As Refugees
www1.cbn.com...

Special treatment for Christians. How very constitutional.

a reply to: Phage

Is not difference from the preferences that Obama gave to Muslims.

Plain and simple.

a reply to: marg6043

Is not difference from the preferences that Obama gave to Muslims.

For example?
Which EOs issued by Obama did so?

a reply to: gortex

That only applies to American citizens. It does not apply to foreign citizens. Or else the Saudi king would be arrested by the US army for restricting religion of Saudi citizens.

a reply to: Phage

I don't have a whole lot of time, but I think this makes the point:

Minority Religeon:

Syria:

Shi'a
Twelvers/Imamis
Ismailis (Seveners)
Alawis
Druzes
Christianity
Judaism
Syrian Jews
Israeli Jews
Yazidis
Hinduism
Folk spiritual beliefs

Iran:

Sunni Islam
Sufi Islam
Bahá'í Faith
Mandaeism
Christianity
Yarsanism
Zoroastrianism
Judaism
Hinduism

Iraq:

Sunni
Christianity
Judaism
Yazidism
Mandaeians
Zoroastrianism

Somalia:

Shia
Christianity
Traditional faiths

Sudan:

Shia
Catholicism
Indigenous religions


Yemen:

Shia Muslims
Christians
Jews

No, the American constitution does not say any foreigner has the right to take a plane or a ship and come to the US. That is a privilege at the discretion of the State department pending a visa.

The first amendment says American citizens are free to practice their chosen faith. It says nothing about foreign citizens.

No, the American constitution does not say any foreigner has the right to take a plane or a ship and come to the US. That is a privilege at the discretion of the State department pending a visa.

The first amendment says American citizens are free to practice their chosen faith. It says nothing about foreign citizens.

a reply to: loam

We don't have to guess what "minority religion" in those countries is being talked about. Do we?


From Trump:
Brody File Exclusive: President Trump Says Persecuted Christians Will Be Given Priority As Refugees
www1.cbn.com...

Special treatment for Christians. How very constitutional.

a reply to: Phage

U.S. ‘discriminates’ against Christian refugees, accepts 96% Muslims, 3% Christians

www.washingtontimes.com...

Interesting that Christians in middle eastern ravaged by terrorist countries are in more danger than Muslim citizens.

Iraq's Christians persecuted by ISIS

More than 125,000 of Iraq's Christians have been forced to flee the homeland they have lived in for nearly 2,000 years because of ISIS violence and threats

www.cbsnews.com...

ISIS executes more Christians in Libya, video shows

ISIS operatives have executed two groups of prisoners, believed to be Ethiopian Christians, in Libya, according to a video released Sunday by the terror network's media arm.

The Ethiopian government confirmed Monday that 30 of its citizens were among the two groups, according to the Ethiopian News Agency.

www.cnn.com...

State Dept.: Syrian Christian Persecution Part of 'Largest Displacement of Religious Communities in Recent memory'

www.bbc.com...

Should we ignore facts?

a reply to: Phage

And yet, the EO applies to all of them, no?

a reply to: marg6043

During the past 15 years, the U.S. has admitted 399,677 Christian refugees and 279,339 Muslim refugees, meaning that 46% of all refugees who have entered the U.S. during this time have been Christian while 32% have been Muslim.

www.pewresearch.org...

a reply to: loam

Its interesting how Obama committed discrimination against refugees from other religious backgrounds in Favor of that was base on religion.

The agenda behind the complains is clear and still None of the base on religion crap have a leg to stand on

a reply to: marg6043

Its interesting how Obama committed discrimination against refugees from other religious backgrounds in Favor of that was base on religion.

False.

Almost the same number of Christian (37,521) as Muslim refugees were admitted in fiscal 2016, which ended Sept. 30. A slightly lower share of 2016’s refugees were Christian (44%) than Muslim, the first time that has happened since fiscal 2006, when a large number of Somali refugees entered the U.S.

www.pewresearch.org...

The president has the right to restrict immigration based on religion. The first amendment applies to Americans, not to foreign citizens. If the president deems in the interest of the US nation, then the president has the right to ban all Muslim immigration and only let in Christians.

a reply to: themasseur

The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another.

www.law.cornell.edu...

originally posted by: MakeAmericaSaneAgain


You clearly don't understand the law or the Constitution. He/she is doing their job.

You don't seem to understand what you're talking about.

The judicial branch is in charge of deciding the meaning of laws, how to apply them to real situations, and whether a law breaks the rules of the Constitution

Well then the Judge doesn't understand the meaning then or how to apply it outside of a political agenda. The 9th court of appeals is a perfect example of this where all their decisions are only based on a political agenda. The fact that 3 Democratic Presidents set the legal precedent for this I guess has been lost to this guy.

a reply to: Phage

The US constitution applies to US citizens, not to foreigners. Or else 1.6 billion Muslims would be able to come into the US. That is ridiculous.

a reply to: JeremySun4

The US constitution applies to US citizens, not to foreigners.

Actually, the US Constitution applies to the US Government. It tells the government what it can, and can't do.

originally posted by: themasseur
The first amendment says American citizens are free to practice their chosen faith. It says nothing about foreign citizens.

If that were true, it would mean that permanent residents are not free to practice their faith.

They'd have to wait 5 years or 7 years to become citizens first, then they could practice their faith.

Sounds a bit unreasonable to me.

Did the founding fathers really put that into the Constitution?

a reply to: Phage

Report doesn't have totals for the "7 nations" in question.

Accurate just the same.