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a reply to: Seede So based on biblical authority, would you say that abortion is murder, as so many Christians claim it to be?
Its not speculative at all to follow context clues and metaphors to their literary and poetic conclusions.
Speculative would be assuming that a burst of energy at conception is indication of ensoulment when it could just as easily be an exothermic or luminescent reaction.
Its always possible that I have drawn the wrong conclusion, but that same possibility applies to you too. I don't think I have, but judging by your classical thought process I don't think you believe you have either. Remember that the word of God is above human classical thought, so science, cultural taboos, philosophy, trivium...its all irrelevant when interpreting scripture. Let the Word of God interpret itself.
You still have not adequately explained why God would deviate from the Adamic pattern of ensoulment, when clearly being born again is not the same as being concieved again. I will refer you again to Luke 8, Matt 13, and Mark 4. The seed entering the soil is conception. The seed sprouting in birth. The sprout maturing and baring fruit is sanctification. In light of that, life at conception goes against the grain of the Bible. Its a worldly concept, concieved by pagans.
3 “Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. 4 “Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. 5 “Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it.
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
David wrote in one of his great Psalms of repentance: "Indeed, I was guilty when I was born; I was sinful when my mother conceived me," (Psalm 51:5).
When did Jesus ever say that we needed to be conceived again to receive eternal life? The term is born again, which is different than conception. That is evidence of a continued pattern.
I believe you misunderstand the interpretation of that translation.
1Peter_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
In this interpretation it should be understood as being born of the celestial Spirit which lives and abides forever. The corruptible seed [meaning of this world] does not live and abide forever. Resurrection is actually compared to as being conceived again. That is for the justified ones. One must be conceived to be born and here it is likened to as shedding the terrestrial corrupted image to be given a celestial everlasting new image.
In some circles of Judaism the naked spirit is that spirit in the confines of Sheol which has not been born again. Only those who are conceived by the Holy Spirit [The Most High] are sanctified or born again and obtain the new garment of celestial covering [body].
Christianity has many forms of denominations within its structure and that is why I use the Nazarene's doctrine.
But really the question here is. OK so you saved a fetus? What now? Are you going to raise it?
originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
the penalty for abortion = no baby . its that simple