Stefan Molyneux: Did President Trump Just Save Western Civilization?

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: Profusion



If Syria decides to fight a barbaric civil war in their nation that is THEIR problem. They MUST put up with the carnage and horror of what they do to their fellow citizen and stop involving us and getting us tangled in their horrific savage messes. Same with Iraq and anywhere else. The old excuse of George and Tony being responsible is wearing a bit thin now isn't it?

We are missing the point of President Trump. His vision is for the U.S to not get so involved in the messes that other nations make of themselves. His vision is for the U.S not to become just another mess in the world and to protect the U.S.

I'll take it you know what started the war in Syria?


You do know that there are those in the US calling for anti Trump graffitti to be a hate crime...yet it's the same thing as happened in Syria.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Revolution9
a reply to: Profusion



If Syria decides to fight a barbaric civil war in their nation that is THEIR problem. They MUST put up with the carnage and horror of what they do to their fellow citizen and stop involving us and getting us tangled in their horrific savage messes. Same with Iraq and anywhere else. The old excuse of George and Tony being responsible is wearing a bit thin now isn't it?

We are missing the point of President Trump. His vision is for the U.S to not get so involved in the messes that other nations make of themselves. His vision is for the U.S not to become just another mess in the world and to protect the U.S.

I'll take it you know what started the war in Syria?


I always assumed the war in Syria was a direct result of the U.S. trying to destabilize Assad so it could build a pipeline as explained so well by Martin Armstrong in the following article:

Posted on December 4, 2015 by Martin Armstrong

To understand what is really Behind the Curtain regarding the Middle East, ISIS, Turkey, and the USA strategic attempt to reduce Russia’s control over energy to Europe, we must start back in 2009 when Qatar proposed a pipeline plan to Assad to send its natural gas to Europe via Saudi Arabia, Syria and Jordan. Assad refused it and this has been the entire pretend reason why the Obama Administration wanted to invade Syria. The reason for the refusal was to protect the interests of Assad’s long-time ally, Russia, which is Europe’s biggest natural gas supplier based upon all the data.

It was just one year after Qatar’s proposal, that Assad began negotiations for another pipeline plan with Iran, which would carry Iranian gas to Europe across Iraq and Syria. Russia endorsed this project since it would clearly have more control over gas flow rather that the US linked Qatar. This agreement would strategically place control of the gas flow to Europe in Russia’s hands. Consequently, the Iranian pipeline became a priority for Russia. Since Damascus and Moscow working together to block the Qatar pipeline and create the alternative Iranian pipeline, this created the seeds for World War III.

Clearly, Obama has targeted Russia from the outset. There was a meeting between Obama and Putin at the United Nations where Putin tried to get Obama on side with Syria against ISIS. Obama rejected the proposal. So when Russian forces entered Syria on the ECM Turning point to the day, this was a ominous event. Russia was not only backing the Assad regime, it was also backing the Iranian pipeline.

Russia’s economy is mostly based on its energy exports. Putin occasionally threaten European countries with cutting off the energy supply and this has been the potential that has set in motion all this chaos. While Russia has the largest gas reserves in the world, the second is actually Iran. Even Turkey is also importing some of its energy from Russia, and some from Iran. It has been buying oil at a discount from ISIS.

Therefore, with the construction of the Iranian pipeline via Iraq and Syria is completed, Europe’s dependence on Russia would continue. This was also why Obama was lifting sanction on Iran in an effort to break that alliance. Obama has been attempting to isolate Russia to prevent its control of the main energy market into Europe. This is why Russia is backing Syria, Iran and Iraq as well. Russia’s presence in Syria is aimed obviously at something more than merely supporting Assad. Russia is acting within its economic self-interest to maintain controlling its energy pipelines which also went through Ukraine. You have to understand what is going on behind the curtain to grasp the seriousness developing in Syria.
The USA is way out of line. This attack on Syria is benefiting ISIS and then Turkey is buying cheap oil from ISIS funding the very rise of terrorism. The French journalist Nicolas Hénin who was a hostage of ISIS, has come out and stated that bombing Syria is benefiting ISIS. On this count, Putin is absolutely correct and the military policies of the Obama Administration are without any coherent objectives since removing Assad will hand Syria to ISIS.

edit on 2-2-2017 by WilliamtheResolute because: (no reason given)

a reply to: Vector99

I don't know about that.

Assad took years to finally accept Russian help, he understands that the US doesn't just change because it has a new president.

At the end of the day Syria struggled because of the West. It'll most likely finish this without us.

Far too much risk of a "catastrophe" and war being declared upon Syria by any one of the many nations who think they have a stake in Syria.

Let's not forget Syria gave up it's deadhand (chemical weapons) and it did wait till all was nearly lost to fully accept Russian help.

I'd say all signs point to a government that would prefer to go it alone.

The West had plenty of time to do good in Syria. Trump can act like Trump all he wants, fact is he has little sway in the discussions. All he can do is force a situation.