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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 07:02 AM
The left - right dichotomy is massively misunderstood.

We are essentially tought in schools that -

Left = Good
Right = Bad

Which is why you hear such illogical arguments such as -

"Well, Hitler started off as a Socialist at first when he was doing good things for the German people and economy, but then it all changed and he became a right-wing fascist when everything went tits up!"

You will find it very hard to find a definition of a "Fascism" because it isn't actually a form of government, it's a form of authoritarian control or leadership style.

Socialism is a failed experiment, it just CANNOT work because.... maths!! Redistribution of wealth will ALWAYS end up with a growing welfare state. A growing welfare state takes workers out of the tax payer pool. Less workers mean, higher taxes to cover the welfare...... ad infinitum.

Once a socialist state fails (and it will, they always have done) there are few options -

Communism - The state boldly proclaims they now own everything, including you, but it's OK because you are part of the state so don't worry about it!

Fascism - A charismatic leader takes unilateral control over a nation, but the end results are the same. The state doesn't "own" everything, they just have full control over every business and person in that state, under one man.

Both are LEFT WING IDEOLOGIES. The right believes in smaller government, less control, more personal responsiblity. The further left you go, the more scope government has. Fascism was placed on the "right" primarily because it is opposed to Communism, which we could all agree is far left. It HAS to oppose communism as the methods used to incite the nation are polar opposites, even if the end result is the same.... big government, authoritarian control.

But whichever path is chosen to lead you nation to authoritarianism, the end result is always the same...

Civil unrest and WAR. These are the end results of socialism, every damn time. It is inevitible and only a matter of time.

"...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them." Margaret Thatcher.

What happens when you run out of other peoples money to redistribute from your tax payers? You have to either allow the inevitible civil unrest and swoop in with an extreme government, ooooooooor go looking for money to redistribute that exists outside your nations borders, ie. war.

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 07:14 AM

originally posted by: Lagomorphe

A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts the state above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition...

Now it is the definition of Communism! Same end, different means.

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 08:30 AM

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner

Fascism - A charismatic leader takes unilateral control over a nation, but the end results are the same.

You just described behaviour of Trump and his supporters. Cult alike worshipping and belief that one man can salvage a country.

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 08:55 AM

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner

Fascism - A charismatic leader takes unilateral control over a nation, but the end results are the same.

You just described behaviour of Trump and his supporters. Cult alike worshipping and belief that one man can salvage a country.

Really?!? Is that what I really described?

Not all charismatic leaders are fascists. All fascist leaders are charismatic. There's a difference.

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 09:28 AM
Fascism (wikipedia)

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4]

[3]Roger Griffin. Fascism. Oxford, England: Oxford University Press, 1995. pp. 8, 307.

[4]Aristotle A. Kallis. The fascism reader. New York, New York: Routledge, 2003. p. 71

Wiki cleverly uses sources that can only be verified if you buy a book !!!

Can anybody actually quote and verify ?

They must know Fascism is Left Wing

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 10:29 AM
Oh good lord, truly the Trump era is defined by people claiming black is white and white is black.

In America you have a choice between a party of the Right and a party of the Far Right.

There is no 'left' in American politics. There is no 'left' in the American media. Most American news outlets are either on the right or the extreme right.

It's just that those on the extreme right look to their left and think 'Oh that's all soft lefty nonsense'.

Y'all would be horrified if you actually saw some genuinely left wing news coverage.

None of this has much to do with Fascism. The left/right dichotomy is not so helpful.

It's much better to think of Fascism as being the opposite of Liberalism.

And we all know what Trump supporters think of 'liberals'.

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 10:57 AM
a reply to: SoulOfCeres

Frankly the whole system at this point is alive due to bandages and stiches, but it will never heal. The only way is to let it burn and start from the basic principles.

thou shall not kill
thou shall not steal...
thou shall not lie...
and work from there...

anyone with their eyes open can see that this system is beyond repair. let's go back to founding father s principles and this time do it right. resurrect the U.S constitution.

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 11:02 AM
I do not know what the Wiki people know...

They must know Fascism is Left Wing

...But now I know you are prepared to lie through your teeth, or just have not the wit to understand how wrong you are. Sadly, you have had every chance to pick that information up already, so I have to assume this is an attempt to obfuscate the truth of the matter, by passing the buck from the right to the left. Good try, but no cigar.

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 11:03 AM
a reply to: xuenchen

Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[7] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[7] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature, and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[8][9][10][11] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[12]

Sound like anyone we know ?

Especially before and after a democratic election?

The OP is right on the money.

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 11:10 AM
a reply to: TrueBrit

Professor, can you quote directly from the 2 "sources" I highlighted from the wiki points ?

Both link to books you must buy to see. Great context eh.

Great credibility there.

If there was any credible sources other than those, they would have put 'em up.

Fascism is Left Wing.

Genuine Right Wing thinking always limits authoritarianism and promotes very limited and concise government.

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 11:55 AM
a reply to: xuenchen

Correction, mainstream butchered the word "Anarchy" if you fact check, the word anarchy literally translates to "Not A slave" which is the true definition of Anarchy.

Real christianity is Anarchistic meaning the bride of Christ, = we the people. Guess what this means? The United States Constitution is based on Anarchy, aka Christian Principles, which is the reason why mainstream gutted that word into oblivion. (it is anti religion, religion = cult= slavery/ which comes from the word religare which means to tie to bind or to enslave.)

Statism = fascism

Anarchy is based on natural law (The golden Rule aka the Law of Moses, thou shall not kill etc)

Which is the true law of freedom:

Anything that Opposes Natural Law = fascism
The Natural Law as a Restraint Against Tyranny | Judge Andrew P. Napolitano

Anarchy= natural law= We the people= the Church=The Bride of Christ

Stay Free #15 | Introduction to The Law of Moses

This can all be fact checked, but morality is the biggest guide to know what its true.

this is a response to the "Violent revolutionary" phrase beside the word "Anarchy" within your image.
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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 01:06 PM
a reply to: SoulSurfer

I thought anarchy means no ruler in greek.
An- no. Archy-ruler or governor
Like monarchy hierarchy and archon architecture ect
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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 01:38 PM
a reply to: SoulSurfer

And there is the key.

Why do you think the left embvraces moral relativism and decay? They are for total statist control. And the elite among them long ago figured out that a people that cannot effectively govern themselves must be governed. So they encourage us to degrade ourselves morally so that in the end we will have no choice but to turn to them to govern us.

posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 01:50 PM
a reply to: ketsuko

Precisely. The protestors (for example) are order followers, following the propaganda of mainstream, no different than a soldier killing innocent civilians under orders. The order followers are more to blame and more dangerous than the order givers, (the George Soros, Hillary, Obama etc.)

Mark Passio expands more on this thought.

the Order follower is the one that usually keeps slavery and the state of fascism in place.
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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 02:05 PM
a reply to: SoulSurfer

I believe it was Stalin (?) who called them useful idiots. If it wasn't him it was one of the other infmous top figures of the founding of Communist Russia.

Another thing to watch out for is a great agitation among the young especially for change for the sake of change. If you ask them, they cannot articulate why the change is so necessary only that it's needed because everything old is somehow bad. And they need change. They haven't really thought it through, either why the change is needed or even what it actually will be.

That doesn't sound at all familiar either. /sarc
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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 02:39 PM

originally posted by: xuenchen

I have found the whole left/right spectrum to be rather two dimensional it seems very limited and seems to promote an us vs them mentality which is counterproductive in assessing political beliefs.

The political compass may not be perfect but it seems to give a more accurate portrayal of political leaning.
I like it because it has a four dimensional spectrum.

posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 09:23 AM
a reply to: TrueBrit

Fox is the only major right wing television channel in the US though, as far as I know. Now let's count the major liberal channels: NBC, CNN, MSNBC, ABC.. so, you know. All major channels except FOX.

If you're making the claim that Western media doesn't have a leftist bias then you're simply delusional.

Even the so called conservative papers make concessions to multiculturalism, they're not social or cultural conservatives at all.

I don't know where you get off making these delusional claims. Do you really hate the white race THAT much?

posted on Feb, 4 2017 @ 09:28 AM
They probably created Fox news as a token conservative channel to keep up appearances.. and then they gave all other major channels a liberal bias.

In this way the cultural zeitgeist would steadily move left and that's exactly what has happened.

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