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Nazis and Muslims....Hand in Hand so why is Trump the one being compared to Hitler

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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Really? I'm pretty sure the thread title is making a connection between Muslims and Nazism, and complaining about Trump being connected with Hitler.

Ergo the discussion is about Nazi connections, behaviors, characteristics, etc. Not how Muslims have connections to Hitler but Trump can't because Godwin's Law. If the discussion draws parallels between Trump and Hitler or Nazism, as opposed to sticking to Muslims, you don't get to invoke Godwin's Law to shut it down.




posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 06:45 PM
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a reply to: neo96




I use to think that.

Until I saw what went on in Turkey.


I think there is a push for Islamism in the present, perhaps moreso than the recent past (Iran, Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey and Lebanon for example), but if the West moving away from the far-left is any indication, that will hopefully will change.

Either way, if freedom of religion is any concern, secular Islam and reformation should be encouraged. But as it stands now, Muslim reformers are being dismissed as anti-Islam by leftists, and threatened with death by Islamists.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Maybe they didn't vote for Stein and Hillary because both of them were open borders types?

Trump promised to end the open borders policies. That in and of itself isn't racist; it's simply the same kind of immigration control most other nations on earth use, but if you are a white nationalist who wants to preserve the country for whites only, it very much is closer to your preferred end goal than anything open borders would be.

That's not rocket science right there.

Thanks for the assist.


You're proving my point without even realizing it. In response to my post that listed the quotes & Trump endorsements from those NeoNazis, Logarock literally said:


Dude come on. These jackasses would vote for anything white just as long as it was white.

Since Hillary & stein are also white, I asked: "If that's true, why didn't they vote for Hillary, Stein, or others on the left wing?". In response to that, you basically replied that it was because they agreed with Trump's immigration policies. So not only did you prove Loga was wrong that they'd "vote for anything white as long as it's white", you even argued that those literal Neo-Nazi leaders & KKK leaders agreed with Trump's immigration policy. Then you doubled down by successfully arguing why white nationalists would agree with Trump's policy.

Did you forget that the OP literally asked why Trump is the one being compared to Hitler? If literal Hitler followers & leaders of Neo-NAZIS support the guy and his policies, you can't feign ignorance on why people would compare him to Hitler.
edit on 1-2-2017 by enlightenedservant because: wow that formatting sucked lol



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 06:58 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Maybe they didn't vote for Stein and Hillary because both of them were open borders types?

Trump promised to end the open borders policies. That in and of itself isn't racist; it's simply the same kind of immigration control most other nations on earth use, but if you are a white nationalist who wants to preserve the country for whites only, it very much is closer to your preferred end goal than anything open borders would be.

That's not rocket science right there.

Thanks for the assist.


You're proving my point without even realizing it. In response to my post that listed the quotes & Trump endorsements from those NeoNazis, Logarock literally said:


Dude come on. These jackasses would vote for anything white just as long as it was white.

Since Hillary & stein are also white, I asked: "If that's true, why didn't they vote for Hillary, Stein, or others on the left wing?". In response to that, you basically replied that it was because they agreed with Trump's immigration policies. So not only did you prove Loga was wrong that they'd "vote for anything white as long as it's white", you even argued that those literal Neo-Nazi leaders & KKK leaders agreed with Trump's immigration policy. Then you doubled down by successfully arguing why white nationalists would agree with Trump's policy.

Did you forget that the OP literally asked why Trump is the one being compared to Hitler? If literal Hitler followers & leaders of Neo-NAZIS support the guy and his policies, you can't feign ignorance on why people would compare him to Hitler.


The fallacy of your argument is that if the klan or any group supports something it is a bad thing irrespective of the logic of the policy in question. Secure borders are not racist. The fact that a racist group also supports secure borders does not mean secure borders are racist.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 07:02 PM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

It is simply not a religion of peace....it is a religion of dominance and intolerance. Sunni is the majority in the entire world and intolerance is the norm. Congrats for Shia and tolerance, but until they grow drastically in numbers, I fear the Sunni are the ones people are defending and it WILL bite us.


Your narrative is lacking few facts :

Jews migrated to istanbul during the Spanish expulsions .

Jews migrated to Istanbul during the Nazi murders .

Turks stood neutral during the WW2 .

Turks are mostly Sunni Muslims .



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 07:25 PM
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This thread is a major fail. (All sources wikipedia)

Short version: The Muslims and Jews not getting along has nothing to do with Nazism, and Muslims are not Nazi's. Muslim, Arab, Israel, and Jewish relationships has everything to do with religion and history not Adolf Hitler.

Secondly, the Arabs blocking out Jewish refugees fleeing from Nazi Germany sounds a lot like Trump banning refugee immigration currently, especially out of Syria. Which the US is bombing and the US arming terrorists. I know another poster repeated that the connection between Trump and Neo-Nazi's is because he has direct support from the KKK and Neo-Nazi's but his decisions and view point of pro-torture also paint him as a...well you know....

The USA won WWII and defeated Nazi Germany and freed the enslaved Jewish people. Do you know how many jewish people there are in New York, or how many holocaust survivors there are in the USA? Immigrants by the way! What is this ignorance plaguing ATS?! Alternative facts galore....

OP, from your source :



However, official Nazi ideology also considered Arabs to be racially inferior to Germans.




According to Gilbert Achcar, there was no unified Arab perception of Nazism:

“ In the first place, there is no such thing as Arabs. To speak in the singular of an Arab discourse is an aberration. The Arab world is driven by a multiplicity of points of view. At the time, one could single out four major ideological currents, which extend from western liberalism, through Marxism and nationalism, to Islamic fundamentalism. In regard to these four, two, namely western liberalism and Marxism, clearly rejected Nazism, in part on shared grounds (such as the heritage of enlightenment thinkers, and the denunciation of Nazism as a form of racism), and partially because of their geopolitical affiliations. On this issue, Arab nationalism is contradictory. If one looks into it closely, however, the number of nationalistic groups which identified themselves with Nazi propaganda turns out to be quite scaled-down. There is only one clone of Nazism in the Arab world, namely the Syrian social national party, which was founded by a Lebanese Christian, Antoun Saadeh. The Young Egypt Party flirted for a time with Nazism, but it was a fickle, weathercock party. As to accusations that the Ba'ath party was, from the very outset in the 1940s, inspired by Nazism, they are completely false.[21]



The OP is mostly about:

Mohammed Amin al-Husseini. British appointed Grand Mufti of Jerusalem
and therefore the thread title should be about him. Not political click bait.

Here is background to muslim and jewish conflict:


In the early days of Islam, according to Islamic sources, a Jewish tribe of Arabia (see Banu Qurayza) was alleged to have broken the peace treaty with the early Muslims, resulting in the execution of over 700 Jews. Many of the surviving women were subsequently taken by Muslim soldiers; one of these, Safiyya bint Huyayy whose husband Kenana ibn al-Rabi had also been killed, was taken by Muhammad as his wife.[75] Relations remained largely calm under Islamic rule with Jews in Dhimmi status, with the exception of sporadic Jewish persecutions such as the 1033 Fez massacre, 1066 Granada massacre and 1834 looting of Safed. In the late 19th century, the Zionist movement sought to re-establish a Jewish homeland in historic Israel, within the historical territory of Palestine, also known as Zion, also known as the Holy Land. This created tensions between the Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs, leading to, beginning in 1947, a civil war and the subsequent exodus of many Palestinian Arabs. In 1948, the state of Israel was declared, and shortly after its declaration of independence, the Arab States declared war on Israel, in which the Israelis were victorious. After the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, twelve more wars were fought between the Arab States and Israel. These wars and conflicts were more political and nationalistic than religious but the Arab–Israeli conflict has weakened Islamic–Jewish relations severely.


source

Next source

The 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine was a nationalist uprising by Palestinian Arabs in Mandatory Palestine against the British administration of the Palestine Mandate, demanding Arab independence and the end of Jewish immigration as the League of Nations had authorized in 1922. The dissent was directly influenced by the Qassamite rebellion, following the killing of Sheikh Izz ad-Din al-Qassam in 1935, as well as the declaration by Hajj Mohammad Amin al-Husayni of 16 May 1930 as 'Palestine Day' and calling for a General Strike. The revolt was branded by many in the Jewish Yishuv as "immoral and terroristic", often comparing it to fascism and nazism.[10] Ben Gurion however described Arab causes as fear of growing Jewish economic power, opposition to mass Jewish immigration and fear of the English identification with Zionism.


Last Source

The 1948 Arab–Israeli War or the First Arab–Israeli War was fought between the State of Israel and a military coalition of Arab states, forming the second stage of the 1948 Palestine war.

There had been tension and conflict between the Arabs and the Jews, and between each of them and the British forces, ever since the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the 1920 creation of the British Mandate of Palestine. British policies dissatisfied both Arabs and Jews. The Arabs' opposition developed into the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, while the Jewish resistance developed into the Jewish insurgency in Palestine (1944–1947). In 1947 these ongoing tensions erupted into civil war, following the 29 November 1947 adoption of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine which planned to divide Palestine into three areas: an Arab state, a Jewish state and the Special International Regime for the cities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem.


This thread is a HOAX



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Vasa Croe


Islam has been around a LOT longer than Christianity.


I can't take anything you say seriously anymore.


Hmmm...you're one of those that think it came a few centuries later?

Yet they knew and reference other "Christian" historical figures like Jesus and Moses and Mary....

Are you so naive to think that these didn't all split from whatever belief before any of them?

If you are then please explain to Muslims how Christians are right and they are just copying our religion, or explain to Christians how Jews are right because their historical reference is older but they still have the same stories....

Anywho...I digress....



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 08:10 PM
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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: game over man
This thread is a major fail. (All sources wikipedia)

Short version: The Muslims and Jews not getting along has nothing to do with Nazism, and Muslims are not Nazi's. Muslim, Arab, Israel, and Jewish relationships has everything to do with religion and history not Adolf Hitler.

Secondly, the Arabs blocking out Jewish refugees fleeing from Nazi Germany sounds a lot like Trump banning refugee immigration currently, especially out of Syria. Which the US is bombing and the US arming terrorists. I know another poster repeated that the connection between Trump and Neo-Nazi's is because he has direct support from the KKK and Neo-Nazi's but his decisions and view point of pro-torture also paint him as a...well you know....

The USA won WWII and defeated Nazi Germany and freed the enslaved Jewish people. Do you know how many jewish people there are in New York, or how many holocaust survivors there are in the USA? Immigrants by the way! What is this ignorance plaguing ATS?! Alternative facts galore....

OP, from your source :



However, official Nazi ideology also considered Arabs to be racially inferior to Germans.




According to Gilbert Achcar, there was no unified Arab perception of Nazism:

“ In the first place, there is no such thing as Arabs. To speak in the singular of an Arab discourse is an aberration. The Arab world is driven by a multiplicity of points of view. At the time, one could single out four major ideological currents, which extend from western liberalism, through Marxism and nationalism, to Islamic fundamentalism. In regard to these four, two, namely western liberalism and Marxism, clearly rejected Nazism, in part on shared grounds (such as the heritage of enlightenment thinkers, and the denunciation of Nazism as a form of racism), and partially because of their geopolitical affiliations. On this issue, Arab nationalism is contradictory. If one looks into it closely, however, the number of nationalistic groups which identified themselves with Nazi propaganda turns out to be quite scaled-down. There is only one clone of Nazism in the Arab world, namely the Syrian social national party, which was founded by a Lebanese Christian, Antoun Saadeh. The Young Egypt Party flirted for a time with Nazism, but it was a fickle, weathercock party. As to accusations that the Ba'ath party was, from the very outset in the 1940s, inspired by Nazism, they are completely false.[21]



The OP is mostly about:

Mohammed Amin al-Husseini. British appointed Grand Mufti of Jerusalem
and therefore the thread title should be about him. Not political click bait.

Here is background to muslim and jewish conflict:


In the early days of Islam, according to Islamic sources, a Jewish tribe of Arabia (see Banu Qurayza) was alleged to have broken the peace treaty with the early Muslims, resulting in the execution of over 700 Jews. Many of the surviving women were subsequently taken by Muslim soldiers; one of these, Safiyya bint Huyayy whose husband Kenana ibn al-Rabi had also been killed, was taken by Muhammad as his wife.[75] Relations remained largely calm under Islamic rule with Jews in Dhimmi status, with the exception of sporadic Jewish persecutions such as the 1033 Fez massacre, 1066 Granada massacre and 1834 looting of Safed. In the late 19th century, the Zionist movement sought to re-establish a Jewish homeland in historic Israel, within the historical territory of Palestine, also known as Zion, also known as the Holy Land. This created tensions between the Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs, leading to, beginning in 1947, a civil war and the subsequent exodus of many Palestinian Arabs. In 1948, the state of Israel was declared, and shortly after its declaration of independence, the Arab States declared war on Israel, in which the Israelis were victorious. After the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, twelve more wars were fought between the Arab States and Israel. These wars and conflicts were more political and nationalistic than religious but the Arab–Israeli conflict has weakened Islamic–Jewish relations severely.


source

Next source

The 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine was a nationalist uprising by Palestinian Arabs in Mandatory Palestine against the British administration of the Palestine Mandate, demanding Arab independence and the end of Jewish immigration as the League of Nations had authorized in 1922. The dissent was directly influenced by the Qassamite rebellion, following the killing of Sheikh Izz ad-Din al-Qassam in 1935, as well as the declaration by Hajj Mohammad Amin al-Husayni of 16 May 1930 as 'Palestine Day' and calling for a General Strike. The revolt was branded by many in the Jewish Yishuv as "immoral and terroristic", often comparing it to fascism and nazism.[10] Ben Gurion however described Arab causes as fear of growing Jewish economic power, opposition to mass Jewish immigration and fear of the English identification with Zionism.


Last Source

The 1948 Arab–Israeli War or the First Arab–Israeli War was fought between the State of Israel and a military coalition of Arab states, forming the second stage of the 1948 Palestine war.

There had been tension and conflict between the Arabs and the Jews, and between each of them and the British forces, ever since the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the 1920 creation of the British Mandate of Palestine. British policies dissatisfied both Arabs and Jews. The Arabs' opposition developed into the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, while the Jewish resistance developed into the Jewish insurgency in Palestine (1944–1947). In 1947 these ongoing tensions erupted into civil war, following the 29 November 1947 adoption of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine which planned to divide Palestine into three areas: an Arab state, a Jewish state and the Special International Regime for the cities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem.


This thread is a HOAX


LOL...yes I know some were linked from wiki. I am not a fickle researcher though. I actually went to their citations and read them...

Yes...Muslims and Jews have nother gotten along since the beginning. Nazi's used that hate to their advantage by recruiting those that already hated Jews....and by all accounts hated the English and Americans.

Do you know how many Jewish people were killed and run out of their country by Muslims? Do you know how many Africans were enslaved and sold by Muslims? Do you believe a couple thousand years of culture has suddenly changed in the last 20 years? Do you believe slavery and massive oppression don't take place in Muslim majority countries?

Nice....



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: Kromlech

Here is the problem 1940s Hitler isnt anything like Trump.

But 1930s Hitler's rise to power has alot in common with Trump's rise.
edit on 1-2-2017 by Pyle because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

You wrote Nazi's and Muslims go hand in hand. 2 questions:

Are you an American?

Do you like Nazi's more than Muslims?



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