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Belief in free will is equivalent to believing in Santa Claus

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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:25 AM
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a reply to: Andy1144

"Can you know for sure that you are aware?"

Since you wish to provoke a yes or no answer to the above my answer would have to be No.

Yet im sure i would pass a Turing test.




posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:27 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

More than it answers to be sure.

What questions does it raise for you?

Because that's whats important.

Why is it that Humans seem to be hard wired to believe in something outside of themselves?

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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:28 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

The ironic thing is that awareness doesn't need your validation of whether you think it exists or not. It exists regardless. Anyway my main point is, that it is impossible to be conscious of being unconscious. Because if you were conscious, you wouldn't be unconscious. They can't both happen together. Can you agree with this?



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:29 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Itisnowagain

More than it answers to be sure.

What questions does it raise for you?

Because that's whats important.


It does not raise questions here - but you stated that it raises more questions than answers - what questions arise when listening to the video?



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:31 AM
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a reply to: Andy1144

Yet we are somewhat in an unconscious state when we dream and sometimes we remember those experiences whether they actually transpired or not.

"They can't both happen together. Can you agree with this?"

Time may not be as linear as we perceive it to be.



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Why is it that Humans seem to be hard wired to believe in something outside of themselves?

The idea of in and out is dual. The one plays the game of two. No one could ever know why.
Really there is no in or out.
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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:33 AM
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Why is it that Humans seem to be hard wired to believe in something outside of themselves?

Your turn, what questions did the video raise in your mind?



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:34 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

The reality is that we do not know or even have the mental capacity to understand or address the notion.



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
Your turn, what questions did the video raise in your mind?

Already answered this question - it does not raise any questions.



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:36 AM
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Being semi conscious, or waking conscious doesn't change what consciousness is. It is fundamentally the same thing.



Time may not be as linear as we perceive it to be.

It doesn't matter, how can you be conscious of being unconscious? You are either conscious or not, how can you be both?



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Itisnowagain
The reality is that we do not know or even have the mental capacity to understand or address the notion.

It is obvious - what is IS.
The issue is that there is a trying to understand. The mind imagines what there isn't. Look and listen and don't go to the mind for answers - the answer is not in the mind.



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:39 AM
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originally posted by: Andy1144
a reply to: andy06shake

Being semi conscious, or waking conscious doesn't change what consciousness is. It is fundamentally the same thing.



Time may not be as linear as we perceive it to be.

It doesn't matter, how can you be conscious of being unconscious? You are either conscious or not, how can you be both?

What if there isn't anyone to be conscious or unconscious? What if there is just what there is?
What is appearing is simply just appearing.



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:40 AM
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But we don't know what consciousness is, so how can we start to say whats semi consciousness or waking consciousness until we fully understand how it relates to the reality we experience.

Current understanding of leading edge mathematics and even physics seems to suggest our universe may be holographic by nature.

Now that raises some interesting questions as to our place in reality, if any.
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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:42 AM
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And thats your understanding, but not necessarily the only conclusion.

Point is the answer from person to person with inevitably vary.
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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:45 AM
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We know that consciousness exists, that is for sure. Even if the universe is a hologram or not, how does it change the fact that you are conscious of something? Are you conscious of what's happening? You can say you don't know if what your experiencing is real or an illusion, but you can say experience itself is real.

So the only thing we can know about consciousness is that it exists. And that we experience the universe through consciousness. Do you agree with that statement?




Point is the answer from person to person with inevitably vary.

Will the answer to 2 plus 2 vary from person to person? If yes then it's pretty pointless.
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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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"Will the answer to 2 plus 2 vary from person to person? If yes then it's pretty pointless."

That depends on where the question is asked, at the macro level there is no issue with the logic, but the same premise may not apply at the quantum level.

I agree that we think we exist. We can attempt to know lots of things about consciousness but at the end of the day we are somewhat limited by the constraints of the 3 dimensions we appear to occupy.



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 06:58 AM
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Whether the world is real or not, can you say you that there is awareness of it.

Or whether even consciousness is an illusion or not, can you say the illusion is a real experience?
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posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 07:02 AM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
I agree that we think we exist.

You are appearing to exist.
But you are not a thing that exists separate from what there is.



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 07:03 AM
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Lets just say that to date my assessment as to why we exist, illusion or otherwise, is directly linked to experience.



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

Is anything really separate through given that we are apparently all part of an expanding explosion that is our universe?

Separate is a tool us humans use in our attempt to quantify and explain our surroundings.




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