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Belief in free will is equivalent to believing in Santa Claus

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posted on Feb, 22 2017 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: spy66
What you do is that you Select from the thoughts that enters Your mind. You have a free will to Select what matters to you from the thoughts that enters.

There is no chooser and no choice - ever!
There is no one 'in there' that can select.

Did you watch the video?


Some how i do feel that i can chose to write my respons to you. Like you chose to respond to my reply. Or did we not have that Choice?

Why show us a video if we really cant think about its content or make a judgment on its content?

I do agree that we dont controll the thoughts that come into Our mind. But when a thought does come. We do have the ability Select among the different thoughts that appear. If we didnt how can you create a reasonable answer to me?


edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 02:51 AM
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I do agree that we dont controll the thoughts that come into Our mind. But when a thought does come. We do have the ability Select among the different thoughts that appear. If we didnt how can you create a reasonable answer to me?

The difference is that "you" don't have any control over thinking thoughts when they appear. Thoughts control themselves, but because we think we are a thought, we think that we have control. But it's an illusion.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 02:58 AM
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To be or not to be. That is the question.



posted on Feb, 23 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: spy66

Some how i do feel that i can chose to write my respons to you. Like you chose to respond to my reply. Or did we not have that Choice?

I have a feeling that you did not watch the video - according to your response.

Why show us a video if we really cant think about its content or make a judgment on its content?

Thoughts about the video would arise if the video was watched.

I do agree that we dont controll the thoughts that come into Our mind. But when a thought does come. We do have the ability Select among the different thoughts that appear. If we didnt how can you create a reasonable answer to me?

Watch the video and listen to what is said - the answers are all there in the video.

After hearing what is said in the video there maybe some thoughts that enter the mind - maybe they will appear on this screen at some point or maybe not. Maybe the video link will never be clicked . Clicked and heard, or not clicked and not heard, is not chosen by anyone - it will happen or it won't.
The video is 7 minutes long by the way - no one is telling anyone anything - it is not knowledge - it is questions and answers - finding out together.


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posted on Feb, 24 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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Sometimes, big nobodies, in their nothingness, secretly desire to be a big somebody.

The key I think involves humor, mirth and charm and the ability to laugh at one's self and one's own absurdity by taking one's self (or no self as the case may be) too seriously, and as a result the spontaneity and authenticity loses it's charm.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 07:21 AM
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originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
a reply to: Itisnowagain
I get what you're saying, that everything is an occurrence that's just happening, and that our own experience is just part of that overall occurrence, and thus the idea of a separative self is an illusion of sorts.

The separate self is the idea that there is someone in there choosing or doing the thoughts or actions, someone controlling the brain - separate to the brain. The brain is doing what it does according to dna and conditioning or some random mutation or because there is a tumour growing (people do unusual things like mass murder because of brain tumours - check out Charles Whitman). For there to be 'free will' there would have to be 'someone in there' to have free will and there isn't.
This is why there is so much frustration arising because there is a conditioned belief that 'you' should beable to control yourself - and other apparent people should beable to control themselves. Life is filled with guilt and blame.


Raising awareness is good, but working to annihilate the self, as a free self, isn't helpful I don't think because it's not true that there are no individual persons.

What 'self' is being annihilated? The 'true self' is what there is but the 'separate self' makes believe what isn't - it thinks there could or should be something other than what there is.



posted on Feb, 25 2017 @ 07:29 AM
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a reply to: Andy1144

Its all rooted in duality left right paradigm miming

Genetics 3:22---Behold, the man has become as one of us---to know what is good and evil.
Zero mind is where the power is----and its so quiet there.



posted on Feb, 26 2017 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: superluminal11

I think that a somewhat surprised and reverent, awe inspired mind, is by far superior to no mind because of the inexpressible joy and gratitude that arises in the recognition that one has been included in the occurrence of life itself. It's a mind and heart filled with wonderment, and appreciation.



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