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Trump Vs Hitler.

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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Both Hitler and Trump lets face it where on the right of the political spectrum both held very strong nationalistic ideologies. My inspiration for this writing this thread actually comes from watching Trumps inauguration speech. You don’t even need to read between the lines of his speech to get the message that he has essentially flipped the bird to the rest of the world saying "piss of globalism, I am putting America first.... the rest of you can go....” Trump supporters might not like to acknowledge it but that is similar to the message that Hitler preached during his rise to power.

Another interesting similarity is that both men came to power during a time of economic and social unrest.
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The most obvious similarity between the two leaders in my view is how both Hitler and Trump have identified a group in society to blame for its problems and are targeting these groups.


So why isn't this thread titled "Trump v Washington"?

Washington came to power in a time of economic and social unrest.

Washington was outraged at the actions of London and blamed them for many of the problems.

Washington's nationalistic ideology was strong enough that it took him into a War for Independence.

Why "Trump v Hitler" rather than "Trump v Washington"? Is it because you already decided that he's Literally Hitler (TM) and you're just trying to create an opportunity for everyone to agree with you, under the rather transparent guise of "reasoned debate" (nudge nudge wink wink)?

You don't really need to answer; the question is rhetorical. That's exactly why you made this thread, chose that comparison, and phrased it in that way.

Not that I mind, I've done similar things, but at least have the decency to be upfront about it.




posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 11:03 AM
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a reply to: neo96

There is a lot more context to that information that you are not providing, including the use of the term 'socialist'. The Nazi's were not Left Wing and it's idiotic to claim as much.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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Would someone please start another Hitler/Trump thread. 3 is our lucky number today!



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

I started one inspired by this one, I did my contribution.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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what you are actually doing is comparing the ideology of nationalism to the ideology of nationalism so obviously they will share many of the same general traits.

To get a more accurate comparison of leaders who espoused nationalism you will need to compare all the leaders who espoused nationalism, not just 2 of them, and find the common factors that they all possessed.

if most of them didn`t commit genocide then you have to throw that out as being a fluke and not something that is a goal of all nationalism leaders.

The very nature of the nationalism ideology means that immigration will be viewed as undesirable but it`s the manner in which the individual leaders address immigration that is important when doing comparisons between 2 nationalism leaders.

all nationalism leaders will agree that immigration is undesirable but not all of them will believe that genocide is the nationalistic way to address the issues of immigration.

to say that since both Hitler and Trump share a nationalism ideology therefore they are both capable of discrimination and genocide, is just absurd.







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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: Tardacus
what you are actually doing is comparing the ideology of nationalism to the ideology of nationalism so obviously they will share many of the same general traits.


Exactly. Leaders get up and say "Our country is awesome! We're the best! Hell yeah!" That doesn't equate to facism, it equates to people doing what people naturally do. Even the ultimate lefty, the President of the Socialist Paradise of Utopian Venezuela (as it's recently been renamed) says great things about his own country and blames everything on America.

That's just what leaders do. They are cheerleaders on a world stage. You don't hear leaders saying "Our country... well, it kinda sucks, we're terrible people, we're so sorry."

Err... apart from Obama and his Global Apology Tour, obviously



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: Annee
When "they" say: "How could Hitler happen?"

I'm seeing it now.



The thing is, the ingredients are there, the situation is there, but no one is willing to ackowledge it. Hitler built up his followers using the similar premises



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 11:44 AM
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But Trump do not seem to be a fan of Islam while Hitler created his own version of Muhammad:s Jihad in My Kampf.

Can I have an example where Trump go on a dualistic (us vs them) killing spree like Hitler and Muhammad did?
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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: alexpmi

originally posted by: Annee
When "they" say: "How could Hitler happen?"

I'm seeing it now.



The thing is, the ingredients are there, the situation is there, but no one is willing to ackowledge it. Hitler built up his followers using the similar premises


Please give us examples because I just see a bunch of people comparing a president they disagree with to the most evil man in history

If you think the events and conservatives are the same as nazi Germany you know nothing about the history of that time



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI

originally posted by: alexpmi

originally posted by: Annee
When "they" say: "How could Hitler happen?"

I'm seeing it now.



The thing is, the ingredients are there, the situation is there, but no one is willing to ackowledge it. Hitler built up his followers using the similar premises


Please give us examples because I just see a bunch of people comparing a president they disagree with to the most evil man in history

If you think the events and conservatives are the same as nazi Germany you know nothing about the history of that time




You see, my point of view might not be yours, I'm pretty sure about that. And I'm not necessarily comparing Trump and Hitler as being clones. What I do say, and I will stand by my words, is the fact that the masses are responding in similar ways to promises and solutions to get rid of the "problems"

I'm sure I don't know enough about current US affairs, but I know my german past. In my family there were examples. I know firsthand about Nazi ideology. Just skimming thru the ATS forums these days gives me an idea about general sentiment by those w(h)oreshipping Trump as saviour. And honestly speaking it frightens me, a whole bunch
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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Hitler usurped power, waging aggressive war wth the world and everyone in it. Trump was elected and hasn't done anything yet.

Hitler was elected too.

He was elected chancellor, not Der Fuhrer. Not in one election either, he kept manipulating the system, holding election after election, murdering his detractors, till he eventually won.

After he 'won' he appointed himself as supreme authority, making everyone swear allegiance to him, directly.

Big difference.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:05 PM
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Hitler was impotent, Trump has offspring

Hitler could not handle money very well.

Melania looks way better then Eva braun

Trumps daughter and son in law are jews, President Trump trolls hitler


Trump Wins !



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: alexpmi

Blame the progressives and 8 years of Obama for a rallied conservative base

I see fear mongering from both side



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: alexpmi

Blame the progressives and 8 years of Obama for a rallied conservative base

I see fear mongering from both side


But I am so far away from Obama that it doesn't influence my way of thinking. Not in the least, it is the way that President Trump and its base of followers are arguing and acting. Fearmongering is one thing, the other is to apply common sense. And my way of thinking leads me to believe that Trumps way is not the way for a peaceful future.

BTW. My granddad, which I never knew, was an American soldier at the end of WW2. My dad just told me a couple of years ago, he never got to know him neither.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: alexpmi
What I do say, and I will stand by my words, is the fact that the masses are responding in similar ways to promises and solutions to get rid of the "problems"


Why did you turn this into a discussion about Obama's "Hope and Change" platform and his enabling of #BLM to act as Brownshirts in the War against White Middle Class Tax Payers?

I mean, sure, I get it, Obama's actions very closely align with Hitler's (though they align even more closely to Mugabe) but this is a thread about Trump.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Hitler usurped power, waging aggressive war wth the world and everyone in it. Trump was elected and hasn't done anything yet.

Hitler was elected too.

He was elected chancellor, not Der Fuhrer. Not in one election either, he kept manipulating the system, holding election after election, murdering his detractors, till he eventually won.

After he 'won' he appointed himself as supreme authority, making everyone swear allegiance to him, directly.

Big difference.



He was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg, the man that beat him in the election, and took over as leader after his death.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: EvillerBob

I did ?? Really ? Sure wasn't my intention. It is more about the impression I get that Trump sees himself as almighty and a can do no wrong. So basically all my thoughts revolve around him, not even Hitler
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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Hitler usurped power, waging aggressive war wth the world and everyone in it. Trump was elected and hasn't done anything yet.

Hitler was elected too.

He was elected chancellor, not Der Fuhrer. Not in one election either, he kept manipulating the system, holding election after election, murdering his detractors, till he eventually won.

After he 'won' he appointed himself as supreme authority, making everyone swear allegiance to him, directly.

Big difference.



He was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg, the man that beat him in the election, and took over as leader after his death.


Herr Hitler did not start out as what he became. He in a way was elected by the populace, and than he or the NSDAP party achieved a force about a power that changed history. We might be on the verge of something similar. Just sayin



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: alexpmi

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Hitler usurped power, waging aggressive war wth the world and everyone in it. Trump was elected and hasn't done anything yet.

Hitler was elected too.

He was elected chancellor, not Der Fuhrer. Not in one election either, he kept manipulating the system, holding election after election, murdering his detractors, till he eventually won.

After he 'won' he appointed himself as supreme authority, making everyone swear allegiance to him, directly.

Big difference.



He was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg, the man that beat him in the election, and took over as leader after his death.


Herr Hitler did not start out as what he became. He in a way was elected by the populace, and than he or the NSDAP party achieved a force about a power that changed history. We might be on the verge of something similar. Just sayin


Hitler lost the election by almost 10% of the vote, if I am not mistaken. While he did not win, the Nazi party itself was able to take control and after Hidenburg's death, everything began to take off.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: introvert

As far as I know even by 15% The SPD (social democrats) won. But this doesn't change the fact that the populace reacted to him once he got appointed. The past or history in my view is just a measure to apply to the present time. The ones who don't see or understand will not do so.



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