First Real Crisis for Trump: Russia Attacked Ukraine

a reply to: DJW001 are residents of Donetsk, in 2014 under fire

a reply to: Tardacus

"Pro Russian Rebels" cannot escalate anything without an adequate supply line..... Rules of war 101.


DENY IGNORANCE

What we see here is Putin prodding the frenzied bigoted stupid old lion that is Trump... They want to see just how insular he is and the gains they can now make... e.g Iran Missile tests, Pro Russian Rebels, Ukraine. I'm afraid what America have in office is something Britain used to have on the throne, Edward the Confessor. It's a shame people don't have a modicum of education and knowledge of the past to know the characteristics of those that seek to wield power in the modern age trial of mutual destruction.

And now after reading more of this thread it seems all sides of this terrible coin are testing the waters... Such is the result of weak and unpredictable leadership.

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

You seem to be a bit short on facts. The democratically elected government of Ukraine impeached a corrupt a**hole. Then the people of Ukraine democratically elected his replacement. Since then there has been another regularly scheduled democratic election.

Even Russia has no problem admitting the legitimacy of Ukraine's government.

a reply to: SeekingAlpha

He was fantastic with foreign policy:

1. I will end the Iraq war. - He didn't. In fact it went on forever and cost the U.S. trillions.
2. He called the Afghanistan war "The Necessary War". - It wasn't. We had no business going there.
3. Al-Bassad overthrow. - He was the main cause of the uprising in Syria. He had no business there and started the worst de-stabilization of the middle-east in over 100 years. We didn't get our military fully involved, but soldiers from other countries died in Syria anyway.
4. He did nothing to stop the E.U. and Nato expansion throughout Georgia and Ukraine. - De-stabilization in the middle east again.

The Middle East is in the worst condition is has been in for a really, really long time. Before you start spewing MSM propaganda to me in retort, please look this stuff up and read about it before you come to a false conclusion. The true fact is that Obama was horrible at foreign policy. He has caused more disruption than any of the last 10 presidents.

Might I remind you that it was republicans that started that war and when Obama tried to end it they threw a fit crying, "These colors don't run". I'm never surprised by the selective memory of the right. Oh and btw the MSM you speak of is owned by rich white conservatives.

a reply to: damwel

CNN was fakenews before it became an issue ... ha remember Peter Arnett. CNN is just an unreliable source of information.

I'm not anti-CNN , I am pro truth.

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: frenchfries

These days you're vastly better off reading multiple sources, both mainstream and alternative, and then using your own, inbuilt and vastly superior powers of discernment to get to the truth.

We used to do that, before the MSM decided to make us believe they were the gods of right and wrong and we ought to just stop thinking for ourselves.

The current division in amerika is between those who think and those who don't think at all.
As you say , I started thinking a long time ago. I just hope that more people follow your advise.

a reply to: frenchfries

The use of the expression "fake news" shows a reflexive reaction, not thought.

junta has said the offensive is connected with the reluctance of militias to leave their positions. Nazis threw the offensive troops on minefields and fortified positions militia. As a result, 2.02 93 dead and hundreds injured. they threw in Avdeevka pregnant women from the hospital to accommodate the wounded AFU Nazis

a reply to: DreamerOracle

I'm afraid what America have in office is something Britain used to have on the throne, Edward the Confessor.

Can you elaborate please?

a reply to: D8Tee

A dangerous coward and power hungry liar.... to put it simply. He lost his battle in 1066 through a ridiculous error and his ego The Battle Of Hastings It's a shame mistakes in our past aren't used to improve the road maps for the future.

a reply to: SeekingAlpha

russia and ukraine both have on big boy pants let them duke it out why do you think it is our place to intercede we have no mutual defence treaty with them are they a a signatory member of nato? no then why do you think we have a kitty in that fight?

a reply to: proteus33

sigh...
Budapest Memorandum

The Kremlin has violated those commitments. Using soldiers in Russian combat fatigues without identifying insignia, whom Mr. Putin later admitted were Russian, Moscow seized Crimea in March.

These are actions that the United States owes Ukraine for giving up the nuclear arms on its territory. In 1994, Washington wrote Kyiv a check for U.S. support in the Budapest memorandum—albeit hoping that it would never be cashed.

Unfortunately, it has. This is not just a matter of assisting Ukraine in fulfillment of U.S. obligations. It is also about preserving the credibility of security assurances for the future.

These kinds of assurances may not by themselves offer major leverage. However, when looking for ways to prevent nuclear proliferation, Washington and its partners should marshal every possible tool. The problem is that Russia’s actions against Ukraine have discredited security assurances.

originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: SeekingAlpha

russia and ukraine both have on big boy pants let them duke it out why do you think it is our place to intercede we have no mutual defence treaty with them are they a a signatory member of nato? no then why do you think we have a kitty in that fight?

We agreed to protect Ukraine when we signed the Budapest Memorandum. Putin violated it and Obama didn't have the spine to respond appropriately. Putin is now testing Trump's resolve. Trump's response: roll back the ban o doing business with the FSB!

Neither Ukraine nor Russia is a friend of America. It is in America's interest if they do go to war with each other.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Is the OP some form of propagandist?

Obviously a disgruntled leftist.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Is the OP some form of propagandist?

The article he lists explicitly says the Kiev Regime Forces attacked the Rebels, and the OP puts a title saying "Russia attacked Ukraine"

?????

How dishonest. Absolutely shameful display, OP.

The fact this thread is still active is somewhat concerning too.
Mods?
anywhere?

American in Donetsk, youtu.be... video from 03Feb

originally posted by: mangust69
American in Donetsk, youtu.be... video from 03Feb

You are from the region.
What would you like to see happen over there?

originally posted by: DJW001

We agreed to protect Ukraine when we signed the Budapest Memorandum. Putin violated it and Obama didn't have the spine to respond appropriately. Putin is now testing Trump's resolve. Trump's response: roll back the ban o doing business with the FSB!

Probably because Trump acknowledges that Ukraine belongs to Moscow. It is part of their domain. Russian and Ukranian business world is totally entwined. What do you you expect NATO to do? Go to war over something that is non of their business? Bomb it into oblivion? Hey why not make it an independent muslim state like the other ones it created in southern Europe?