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How to (potentially) radicalise someone.

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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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So we gotta worry about peoples feelings so that they don't become terrorist?

GTFO.
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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
What possibly is gained by America responding to any of these people with kindness?


What does America gain by responding to refugees and immigrants with kindness?

You really dont know?

Kindness and common decency are powerful weapons in the whole hearts and minds ideological war. Helping people who are trying to escape war and terrorism by showing such sends a powerful message ideologically.

Turning them away fuels the ideology of your actual enemy, who can say "we told you they saw others as inferior"

You seem to think that immigrants and refugees from these countries are all terrorists. Still, that is how people have been conditioned to think I guess.


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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 02:42 PM
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a reply to: neformore

Weren't you just pointing out how easily it is for them to radicalize?

Hilarious.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: Lysergic

and how have I contradicted myself? exactly?



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: neformore

So it all comes down to how nice I am to someone, that'll prevent radicalization?

Not so much contradictory just kinda.... DENSE.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: Lysergic

If the price we have to pay for giving out hugs for everybody is a few terrorist attacks and dead Americans because of a poor vetting process then that's worth it, knowing that they found another reason to radicalize other than they were inconvenienced at some point in their life by an American policy.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: Lysergic

Dense. Is that all you can draw from the concept?

If you can't see that fundamentally being good with people has an effect on them to your advantage, then you have no idea about psychology at all.

Treating people like # does not get you respected.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: neformore

Respect is a two way street.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: Lysergic

And someone wanting to come and live in your country for a better way of life, or to seek protection from violence and terrorism isn't a mark of respect?



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: neformore

The channels into America are kindly and decently closed for a bit. Your argument makes as much sense as saying the guy who tries to go into a restaurant afterhours and finds the establishment closed and locked has a valid rationale for pounding on the door, making a scene, and finally growing a tail on their outside welcome mat. THE UNITED STATES IS NOT HERE TO SAVE THE WORLD'S DESPERATE. Period, end of discussion.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: neformore

If they can't respect the rules and regulation involved.

Respect the process if you ain't got nothing to hide then no worries, amirite?

Don't expect to replicate the #hole you were fleeing, here.

We all experience crap times, they don't give you the right to radicalize.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: Lysergic

And someone wanting to come and live in your country for a better way of life, or to seek protection from violence and terrorism isn't a mark of respect?


I dunno, is any foreigner entering a country and then immediately making demands that changes be made to the receiving nation to appease them a sign of respect? I ask because that's what we've seen over the past 30 years and many of these "radicalized" individuals you're talking about weren't radicalized by our border security policies (which have here to fore been lax), but were rather "radicalized" because America didn't change enough or fast enough to appease them and their BS.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Hey, if you're happy with that (a lot of people aren't) then thats all good (for you)

My original point still stands.

You radicalise people by #ting on them when they have done nothing to you.

I'm sorry that people can't understand that. I had hoped to appeal to peoples intelligence, but it seems that the idiocracy has finally arrived.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: neformore

Let them radicalize.

And at the end of the day, they have their own agency and are responsible for their own actions.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.



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posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Hey, if you're happy with that (a lot of people aren't) then thats all good (for you)

My original point still stands.

You radicalise people by #ting on them when they have done nothing to you.

I'm sorry that people can't understand that. I had hoped to appeal to peoples intelligence, but it seems that the idiocracy has finally arrived.





The idiocracy was here from the moment you clicked on the new thread sign and posted this garbage thread.

Yay calling people idiots is fun!

Funny, you don't seem to think any of the terrorist attacks committed by Muslims are a reason to "radicalize" immigration policy but think that an immigration policy that's impacted a few dozen people runs a substantial risk of radicalizing them.

If they gave scores in mental gymnastics, you'd be a perpetual gold medalist for the UK.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: neformore
I'm sorry that people can't understand that. I had hoped to appeal to peoples intelligence, but it seems that the idiocracy has finally arrived.


Do you have anything to add to this argument which isn't a logical fallacy? Seriously man, we're talking real world here, not finely controlled computer simulation with regimented variables. Sometimes, in the real world, logic and pragmatism trumps emotional foolishness. Now, if I may be so bold as to suggest, if the plight of these future radicals concerns you this deeply, contact your local MP and demand that they be accepted into your country. At least then, when they suddenly snap and come after those who wronged them like Charles Bronson in Death Wish, your country will be spared because of the warm fuzzies your welcoming hospitality imbued them with.



posted on Feb, 1 2017 @ 09:34 PM
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Oh man.. having to wait 5 hours.. I'm sure no kid has ever done that before. Truly traumatizing.

Surely you're kidding with this garbage?



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6


Sometimes, in the real world, logic and pragmatism trumps emotional foolishness.

Absolutely. It just depends on who is the most emotionally foolish - and who is thinking about the future. But if we're going to talk about pragmatism - how is it not pragmatic to think about helping people in need? It was panic and revenge that caused the wars that gave us this refugee situation in the first place

We destroy infrastructure, healthcare, economies - kill, rape and essentially pillage to teach somebody a lesson

Innocent people have their lives upended - and for what? When they have no homes, and no safety - when staying where they are is more dangerous than leaving they become refugees

They're literally begging the world to take them in

In your real world - do they thank us for going back on our promises?



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

I thought this thread was about a child (US citizen) and his mother (non US citizen) being held up at the airport for a few hours, where subsequently the child was admitted and reunited with his father (US citizen), the mother was deported.

That's got nothing to do with refugees. I made a post earlier questioning why this mother took her child(ren) to a "country of Concern" in the first place, as yet no one has addressed the points I made.

The current situation is a temporary suspension of the refugees from Syria programme and admittance to the US for people coming from the aforementioned "Countries of Concern" list, originally drawn up some time ago under the Obama administration, so not anything new and will be lifted as soon as vetting procedures are assured to be robust, so I'm sorry, I don't really understand all of the emotional wailing and weeping, considering that it only affected a couple of hundred people who happened to travel on the day the ban was enforced, most of whom then cleared immigration.

As for being radicalised by being stuck at an airport for a few hours..drama much! And of course that means we can probably invent an excuse for every murderer through out history, because some one was mean to them when they were 5, sorry but it;s just an OTT reaction in my opinion.



posted on Feb, 2 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: destination now



As for being radicalised by being stuck at an airport for a few hours..drama much! And of course that means we can probably invent an excuse for every murderer through out history, because some one was mean to them when they were 5, sorry but it;s just an OTT reaction in my opinion.

Did you read the OP - at all? It's a hypothetical - he's asking a question. This is about our shared philosophies - or not so much

If it makes you feel better to believe that all of this is only about inconveniencing a few people - then, there's nothing I can say here that's going to make a difference to you. It doesn't concern you

It's this need to under-dramatize events that create real life problems for people who've done nothing wrong that concerns me. Some people feel safer now - that's all the thinking they need. No drama please



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