I think threads like these are difficult, but necessary to have a constructive political dialogue. This thread is going to be about how I, as a Trump
supporter, thinks that the way that Trump rolled out his executive order on refugees was, to put it generously, amateurish. I will also argue that I
think the response to this action by many on the left (and some on the right) and the media was hysterical and actaully allows people to overlook the
mistakes that actually did happen.
So lets start with where was Trump coming from. I think that Trump sees the catastrophe in Europe in places like Germany with seemingly unfettered
refugee intake, and fears for America and its accepting of refugees. I have no problem with this, and think that we should be vetting people coming
into the US.
However, despite what I perceive as his good intentions, Trumps first action to help with this was rolled out terribly. There seems to have been no
communication within the administration, there were questions about what happened to people with green cards, and there were literally people that
were already on p[lanes that were affected. This is unacceptable. Regardless if I agree with a law or action, ALL people deserve advance notice
before they are punished under these new actions.
For example, imagine if new fossil fuel standards make diesel truck illegal, and instead of a notice sent out that said it would take effect in 6
months, they just started pulling over truck drivers and giving them tickets without any notice. This would be outrageous, as was the way Trumps
order surprised people that were already on planes.
And how would you feel if you were someone from one of these countries that helped the US military, and now you are told you are not welcome in the
US? That is ridiculous.
Now it seems like many of these problems have already been hashed out, for example the answer about green cards seems to have been found, and there
will be room for case by case exemptions for people like allies of the US military. But the shady roll out of this order has given plenty of ammo to
people against Trump, and has shown that he may act too fast and without thinking through all of the details.
The last thing that I will criticize Trump for here is something that I will be watching closely. I made this thread during the campaign with the
wikileaks info. www.abovetopsecret.com...
This was about Hillarys connection to the Saudia when she knew that they were selling weapons to ISIS. I wondered at the time why Trump didn't shout
this from the rooftops? To me, this was the most important wikileak, and had the potential to shift the election toward him. The fact that he never
called out this connection, and also has business ties to the Saudis is somewhat troubling to me. Now the fact that the Saudis were not included in
this ban seems to possibly further the idea he will overlook the Saudis and their sponsor of terrorism.
By no means does this order prove that, but to me it is something that I will be watching to see if he ever is willing to call out the Saudis.
Now the other side of the coin.
First, lets not act like past administrations haven't had extremely botched roll outs. Who can forget the Obama care website? But I criticized
that, and so I'll be damned if I won't criticize Trump when he deserves it.
Ans as usual, the media and the far left has been so hyperbolic that all warranted criticisms of this order are over shadowed. Most people in the
middle or that are Trump supporters will be so disgusted with the media, Hollywoods, and these protestors that they will end up taking trump side and
not looking at the issue critically.
Keep in mind that this action is temporary. This is not an elimination of Muslims entering the country. The innocent people that the media are
shouting about that can't come here will be more than welcome in 3 months if they truly are great people. But if you would watch the media or
Hollywood at the SAG awards, you would have thought that Trump was rounding up Muslims and shipping them out. This is garbage.
The numbers are all over the place, but even if we take the highest number, around 300 people out of over 300 thousand were detained, and they have
already all been let go. Now people will say that these affected countries have over 90,000 people with visas that can't come here, but a couple of
things on this. First, its only temporary. Secondly, where was Chuck Schumer crying, Ashton Kutcher screaming about this policy, media people
suggesting this is the end of what makes America America, when Obama was adding people like crazy to the no fly list?
So people all over the world, including Americans, were put on a list by the government and not allowed to fly. The Americans on the no fly list were
affected more than any of the people on Trumps order, because the order only prevented people from coming to America, but the no fly list means that
you can't ever leave or fly anywhere. This was tens of thousands of people, and has been shown over and over again, many people were put on the list
for know reason, and didn't even know they were on the list!
Where were those that hysterical today on this issue? Not only were they in support of this list, they wanted to further its use to stop people from
other rights, such as buying a firearm.
300 people were detained slightly, and people on the left melted down. Ironically, these protests inconvenienced many more people almost just as
much. Do these protestors really think that by holding up the rest of these passengers they are making them more likely to come to their political
And the more hysterical these protests are, and the fact that they protest every action Trump takes, people get tired of it. And so legitimate
criticism of Trump is forgotten as people get tired of watching all of these protests and talking heads.
So in summary, I think there were big problems with how this order was rolled out, many of which have at least been attempted to be dealt with.
However, the hysterical reaction by many on the left is blown way out of proportion.