originally posted by: Farlander
originally posted by: Gaussq
a reply to: dawnstar
Inside her bones mos women want their man to be strong and yet many fight with him all the time to take all his power away and change him. If he
changes many will leave him because he is so "boring".. Cant have the cake and eat it...
THIS. Well said. Women have been reprogrammed to see their traditional role as "opression." But it's the only way families really work.
I have recruited another drinking buddy to help me argue this topic. I am quoting you here because I can work off of this.
This is the only way that families really work? Then WHY do the men keep leaving them???
And the "traditional role" (which is not that traditional really, I'll leave it to the history scholars to dismantle that) - that (recent)
"traditional role" IS oppressive! For women as well as men.
Men seem to promote it more and fall for the Capitalist Propaganda faster because they want sex and a house keeper. Women know the truth of it all -
it is WAY TOO MUCH HARD WORK!
And we get little to nothing in return and the "father" may leave at any time.
Let me tell you, and I believe I said this already - ALL of my relatives are divorced. FEW people I know of came from a "traditional family". And it
was always the father that left. And to be clear - we came from that Happy Family Suburbia that all you types promote so much.
And it IS promoted so the Capitalists can make money off your back! Breed more consumers and then (recent, "traditional"), Dad goes to work to
"provide for the family" - where the Capitalists make $ off of his back.
Isn't this all pretty obvious? And you men are so blinded by sex and your yearning for a Mommy figure that you're willing to throw your whole life
away to go to work for The Borg???
Yes you are. Until you aren't. And then you leave and the woman is left with the mess you made. SHE has to pick up the slack of the kids and then go
get a crap job where she will be paid less. All because "dad" crapped out.
I and everyone I know - we weren't "Brainwashed by Feminism" - we saw what our mothers and grand mothers had to put up with with our own eyes! And
they were the ones who told us - GET AN EDUCATION! And DO NOT GET MARRIED DO NOT HAVE KIDS.
And you could see it on the faces of the parents of your school mates too - how wasted and beat down they looked. How miserable and sorry to be stuck
It IS oppressive and men can understand it too by thinking about crappy jobs: Aren't THEY oppressive? And you wonder how to get out? But you can't for
various reasons, - apply the same thinking to dealing with kids.
Kids SUCK! Don't you remember BEING a kid? They're mean bully assholes and they never sit still and # in their pants.
And cost too much $.
Oh and someone should be a "Soft Loving Mother" to one of these things? If I were stuck with one I'd IMMEDIATELY take it to a fire station or
Men don't have to deal with kids and often OPT OUT of dealing with the kids they created.
So why should we women deal with these beasts either?
NOT ME! And goes for 99% of the people I know. F and M.
I don't care if the Muslims take over either. I'll be dead by then.
When NO ONE has ever cared about YOU - and instead treats you as a means to THEIR ends - it's pretty hard to care about others.
This is our version of "Feminism" and what it boils down to is basically - GET LOST. We will do as we please because it's a FREE COUNTRY.
Also - while I've seen plenty of men bleating on these various subjects that boil down to a "return to traditional life" - I have NEVER ONCE seen them
say ONE THING about what THEY will contribute. Not once. And I keep my eye on Conservatives, the "Alt Right", and the "Manosphere".
And to reiterate - NOT ONCE have I seen any of these types talk about what THEY could contribute to such a living arrangement.
My friend says her version of Feminism is: Get out of my way or I'll kill you.
Yep. You gotta be strong and fight it at every turn. Because who in the hell wants this boring suburban family life anyway? Well yeah MEN do - until
they tire of it and go running after some other woman, or a man, or a tree stump - and then YOU are left in the lurch to deal with the mess.
These are the generalized ideas of Feminism, from working stiffs like us. We're trying to avoid MORE work.
And kids. Because let's be honest - kids suck.
edit on 3-2-2017 by FalseMove because: (no reason given)