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Most claims about Trump’s visa Executive Order are false or misleading

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posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: BubbaJoe

So you keep repeating yet you have failed to explain what parts of the op are wrong and what parts of Trumps EO / immigration laws are wrong / illegal / unconstitutional.


Seven countries, leaving out the ones he does business with. That in and of itself is an impeachable offense.

Anyone with any common sense, knows that this is basically a Muslim ban from the countries that Trump doesn't have ties with.

My personal favorite, I think Trump is an asshole, always has been, always will be, and he will prove that to the American public in the next few months, 3500 lawsuits are not wrong.




posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Sadly the money that Soros donates to certain groups tells another story.


The New York Times first reported on the lawsuit:

At least one case quickly prompted a legal challenge as lawyers representing two Iraqi refugees held at Kennedy International Airport in New York filed a motion early Saturday seeking to have their clients released. They also filed a motion for class certification, in an effort to represent all refugees and other immigrants who they said were being unlawfully detained at ports of entry.

The suit was filed by lawyers from the International Refugee Assistance Project, the National Immigration Law Center, the Jerome N. Frank Legal Services Organization at Yale Law School, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), and the International Refugee Assistance Project (formerly Iraqi Refugee Assistance Project) at the Urban Justice Center.

The ACLU is massively funded by Soros’s Open Society Foundations, including with a $50 million grant in 2014.


The National Immigration Law Center has received numerous Open Society grants earmarked for general support.

The Urban Justice Center is also the recipient of an Open Society grant.

Taryn Higashi, executive director of the Center’s International Refugee Assistance Project, which is listed on the Trump lawsuit, currently serves on the Advisory Board of the International Migration Initiative of Soros’s Open Society Foundations.

Over the last decade, Soros has reportedly provided some $76 million for immigrant issues.


www.breitbart.com...

Yes the protest at the airport with the support of UCLU are backed by Soros donation money.




Your source is breitbart, I ain't buying, but you still haven't answered the question are you a legal US citizen?



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

I come from a military background, lost one of my grandfathers in WWll, one uncle in Korea one in Vietnam, my father served in Korea, one of my brothers in the Navy, I married a Marine now retired, and my children where born in military bases, one In Lejeune one in Hawaii.

Hurraaa.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

ok.. you made your choice of willful ignorance loud and clear.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: BubbaJoe

So you keep repeating yet you have failed to explain what parts of the op are wrong and what parts of Trumps EO / immigration laws are wrong / illegal / unconstitutional.


Seven countries, leaving out the ones he does business with. That in and of itself is an impeachable offense.

Anyone with any common sense, knows that this is basically a Muslim ban from the countries that Trump doesn't have ties with.

My personal favorite, I think Trump is an asshole, always has been, always will be, and he will prove that to the American public in the next few months, 3500 lawsuits are not wrong.



So are you complaining it's not a full ban on muslims from anywhere?




posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: BubbaJoe

I come from a military background, lost one of my grandfathers in WWll, one uncle in Korea one in Vietnam, my father served in Korea, one of my brothers in the Navy, I married a Marine now retired, and my children where born in military bases, one In Lejeune one in Hawaii.

Hurraaa.




My Mexican father in law was severely wounded in WWII, my Uncle on my mothers side killed in the Battle of the Bulge. My step father, badly wounded in Korea. I have lost family members in every war this country has fought since the revolution. I am an AF vet, and my brother and step daughter are Marines. One of my children born at Pease AFB, NH, and one at Fitzsimmons in CO.

We share a lot of things, you think Trump is the Messiah, I think he is an ass. Hopefully neither of us are right. I think Donald J. Trump will be detrimental to this country, I hope I am wrong.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: BubbaJoe

So you keep repeating yet you have failed to explain what parts of the op are wrong and what parts of Trumps EO / immigration laws are wrong / illegal / unconstitutional.


Seven countries, leaving out the ones he does business with. That in and of itself is an impeachable offense.

Anyone with any common sense, knows that this is basically a Muslim ban from the countries that Trump doesn't have ties with.

My personal favorite, I think Trump is an asshole, always has been, always will be, and he will prove that to the American public in the next few months, 3500 lawsuits are not wrong.



So are you complaining it's not a full ban on muslims from anywhere?



Most of terrorists that have harmed this country were from Saudi, he did not include that in his list, so not a full muslim ban, but supporting his own interests.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

You mean Obamas interests?



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: BubbaJoe

ok.. you made your choice of willful ignorance loud and clear.


Where did I prove myself willfully ignorant, somewhere I disagreed with your opinion of the Orange Messiah?



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: BubbaJoe

You mean Obamas interests?


You really need to quote stuff, because I have no idea what you are talking about, and Obama is done, he is on vacation, get over it. No Black Man in office no more.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

I support Trump as I am against illegal immigration and will never had voted for Hillary.

With that say, you want it to know if I am American and yes, I am born raised and schooled by America.

But I speak Spanish because I am also a Puertorrican.

But I am American first, second and last.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:11 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

No.. you proved it by substituting your opinion for actual facts that run counter to them. You dont like Trump and I suspect thats why you refuse to accept the facts about the EO / immigration law. You proved it by repeating information thats proven to be untrue.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: BubbaJoe

You accused Trump of serving his own self interests in reference to the countries in question. Those countries were designated by the obama administration as the top threats.

Obama did nothing about it, even after designating them.

Trump used Obamas designations and acted.

This goes back to what I was saying about your statements. You apparently were ok with Obama designating these nations as top threats. You apparently were ok with Obama banning Iraqis in 2011. You were apparently ok when Obama took similar steps in 2015.

Do you have issues with the action trump took or just trump himself? I ask because you seemed to be in support of these designations / actions when it was obama, only to change your view when its trump.

Also please explain how Trump is serving his own interests.
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posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra




Those countries were designated by the obama administration as the top threats.

I've been trying to find the source of that claim.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: BubbaJoe

I support Trump as I am against illegal immigration and will never had voted for Hillary.

With that say, you want it to know if I am American and yes, I am born raised and schooled by America.

But I speak Spanish because I am also a Puertorrican.

But I am American first, second and last.



I am against illegal immigration as well, have been dealing with it since the early 90's, there is no plan and it is totally hosed. Your support for Trump surprises me, because he has put nothing forth to fix immigration. I worked in agriculture, and other manufacturing fields where we could have helped those with immigration problems had we known. I now have a friend that brought his three step daughters from Peru to the USA legally, and it cost him 12,000 dollars, this is insane.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: BubbaJoe

You accused Trump of serving his own self interests in reference to the countries in question. Those countries were designated by the obama administration as the top threats.

Obama did nothing about it, even after designating them.

Trump used Obamas designations and acted.

This goes back to what I was saying about your statements. You apparently were ok with Obama designating these nations as top threats. You apparently were ok with Obama banning Iraqis in 2011. You were apparently ok when Obama took similar steps in 2015.

Do you have issues with the action trump took or just trump himself? I ask because you seemed to be in support of these designations / actions when it was obama, only to change your view when its trump.

Also please explain how Trump is serving his own interests.


Why not Saudi, Trump has business interest there? Trump serves his own interest everytime he inhales, believe it. These four years are going to be brutal.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: Phage

www.state.gov...



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:23 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: BubbaJoe

You accused Trump of serving his own self interests in reference to the countries in question. Those countries were designated by the obama administration as the top threats.

Obama did nothing about it, even after designating them.

Trump used Obamas designations and acted.

This goes back to what I was saying about your statements. You apparently were ok with Obama designating these nations as top threats. You apparently were ok with Obama banning Iraqis in 2011. You were apparently ok when Obama took similar steps in 2015.

Do you have issues with the action trump took or just trump himself? I ask because you seemed to be in support of these designations / actions when it was obama, only to change your view when its trump.

Also please explain how Trump is serving his own interests.


Apparently, Obama had the appropriate departments handle it, and didn't need to publicize and EO, never crossed my radar. The Donald needs his ego stroked, and their are enough MAGAts left to do it.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

I see three countries listed. Nothing about "top threats."

In fact the only place the word threat appears is here:

The United States and Sudan worked cooperatively in countering the threat posed by al-Qa’ida and ISIL in 2015, which included their use of transit and facilitation routes within the country.

www.state.gov...



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Xcathdra




Those countries were designated by the obama administration as the top threats.

I've been trying to find the source of that claim.


FEB 18 2016 - DHS Announces Further Travel Restrictions for the Visa Waiver Program


Release Date:
February 18, 2016

For Immediate Release
DHS Press Office
Contact: 202-282-8010

WASHINGTON—The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.

Pursuant to the Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security had sixty days to determine whether additional countries or areas of concern should be subject to the travel or dual nationality restrictions under the Act. After careful consideration, and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security has determined that Libya, Somalia, and Yemen be included as countries of concern, specifically for individuals who have traveled to these countries since March 1, 2011. At this time, the restriction on Visa Waiver Program travel will not apply to dual nationals of these three countries. DHS continues to consult with the Department of State and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to develop further criteria to determine whether other countries would be added to this list.


click link for entire release.

201 5 - Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act Frequently Asked Questions


What are the new eligibility requirements for VWP travel?

Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the VWP:

Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, or countries listed under specified designation lists (currently including Iran and Sudan) at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).

Nationals of VWP countries who have been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, at any time on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited government/military exceptions).

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