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BREAKING NEWS: Emergency Stay Granted - Defeat for Trump's Right Wing Agenda

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posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:08 PM
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a reply to: ipsedixit

The challenge will go nowhere as its constitutional. 4 federal judges who have ruled on the EO would have struck it down if it were illegal or unconstitutional instead of placing a temporary stop on one portion of it. Immigration is the purview of the President.

The left needs to stop whining / grandstanding.
edit on 30-1-2017 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus




It was real right wing when Obama did it too.

When Obama did what?
when Obama signed the Terrorist Travel Protection Act.

Sorry. I'm not familiar with that act. Did it stop processing of refugees?


Visa Delays Put Iraqis Who Aided U.S. in Fear


BAGHDAD — Terrorism fears in the United States are all but halting visas for Iraqis, even those who risked their lives aiding the American war effort, making them especially vulnerable ahead of the planned American military withdrawal.


Oh, look! This was in 2011. It was Obama's order.


The Obama administration has required new background checks for visa applicants, reacting to a case in Kentucky in which two Iraqi immigrants were arrested on suspicion of ties to an insurgent group, according to American officials in Baghdad.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Phage

You may be right on that. Her job is to defend the administration. I'm really not 100% sure.

If she didn't realize what would happen, she's dumber than a retarded rock. What line is Trump famous for?

"You're fired!"

TheRedneck


Someone else brought up a good point. It is not the AG's job to question the law. Just enforce it.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

I would guess that was because the DOJ and DHS are still an by Obama's people.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus




It was real right wing when Obama did it too.

When Obama did what?
when Obama signed the Terrorist Travel Protection Act.

Referring to this?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
It does indicate there were concerns with the vetting process.
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posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus




It was real right wing when Obama did it too.

When Obama did what?
when Obama signed the Terrorist Travel Protection Act.

Sorry. I'm not familiar with that act. Did it stop processing of refugees?


Visa Delays Put Iraqis Who Aided U.S. in Fear


BAGHDAD — Terrorism fears in the United States are all but halting visas for Iraqis, even those who risked their lives aiding the American war effort, making them especially vulnerable ahead of the planned American military withdrawal.


Oh, look! This was in 2011. It was Obama's order.


The Obama administration has required new background checks for visa applicants, reacting to a case in Kentucky in which two Iraqi immigrants were arrested on suspicion of ties to an insurgent group, according to American officials in Baghdad.


Correct. At the time 1,000's were turned back from airports or removed from flights and one Iraqi was killed waiting on Iraq. The left did not care.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Phage

You may be right on that. Her job is to defend the administration.


No ..it's not. That is at the discretion of the AG. Her first obligation is to the constitution and rule of law. She found Trumps EO indefensible. You should read her letter to the President. She served under Bush, Clinton and Obama and has the bipartisanship respect of both conservatives and democrats.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

She's still fired. I guess that argument didn't work for her.

TheRedneck



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse
It's only a temporary ban . .


You honestly believe that?


Yes. It is the same as legislation that was done a while back by Obama and congress. There will be stricter rules in the future after the ban though, they will be able to use social media comments to deny someone. Maybe they will kick out some immigrants that are starting chaos here before they get citizenship too. You know if you were not a legal citizen before and you made waves, you were kicked out of this country. Those rules are still on the books, no law has to be passed to enforce them.


Just so you know as we go along here, it is the process of doing things that I'm watching.

I am a methodical thinker. I like things planned out. I like problem areas addressed before decisions are made.

I am not a fan of "trigger finger" implementation.


Did you ever watch Ghostbusters? How long would it have taken those guys to get rid of ghosts if they had to follow all the legal normal procedures and had to follow strict laws that gave those ghosts rights.


You expect me to take that seriously?


Thinking methodical with Trump could drive you crazy.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus




It was real right wing when Obama did it too.

When Obama did what?
when Obama signed the Terrorist Travel Protection Act.

Sorry. I'm not familiar with that act. Did it stop processing of refugees?


And this is interesting:
DHS Announces Further Travel Restrictions for the Visa Waiver Program


WASHINGTON—The Department of Homeland Security today announced that it is continuing its implementation of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 with the addition of Libya, Somalia, and Yemen as three countries of concern, limiting Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals who have traveled to these countries.


Last month, the United States began implementing changes under the Act. The three additional countries designated today join Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Syria as countries subject to restrictions for Visa Waiver Program travel for certain individuals. Under the new law, the Secretary of Homeland Security may waive these restrictions if he determines that such a waiver is in the law enforcement or national security interests of the United States. Such waivers will be granted only on a case-by-case basis. As a general matter, categories of travelers who may be eligible for a waiver include individuals who traveled to these countries on behalf of international organizations, regional organizations, and sub-national governments on official duty; on behalf of a humanitarian NGO on official duty; or as a journalist for reporting purposes.


hmmm, that was in February 2016.
The wording in that sounds remarkably similar to Trump's EO.

And:
United States Begins Implementation of Changes to the Visa Waiver Program


WASHINGTON—The United States today began implementing changes under the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (the Act). U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) welcomes more than a million passengers arriving to the United States every day and is committed to facilitating legitimate travel while maintaining the highest standards of security and border protection. Under the Act, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP):

Nationals of VWP countries who have traveled to or been present in Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited exceptions for travel for diplomatic or military purposes in the service of a VWP country).
Nationals of VWP countries who are also nationals of Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria.


That was in January 2016.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: ipsedixit

The challenge will go nowhere as its constitutional. 4 federal judges who have ruled on the EO would have struck it down if it were illegal or unconstitutional instead of placing a temporary stop on one portion of it.


No...it needs to challenged, defended and argued in court before striking it down.

In contrast 6+ Federal Judges would not have put a stay on it unless they found their was merit to the case it is unconstitutional or contradicts law.
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posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL


Home » Justice Management Division
Organization, Mission & Functions Manual: Attorney General, Deputy and Associate

Attorney General | Deputy Attorney General | Associate Attorney General
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

The position of Attorney General was created by the Judiciary Act of 1789. In June 1870 Congress enacted a law entitled “An Act to Establish the Department of Justice.” This Act established the Attorney General as head of the Department of Justice and gave the Attorney General direction and control of U.S. Attorneys and all other counsel employed on behalf of the United States. The Act also vested in the Attorney General supervisory power over the accounts of U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals.

The mission of the Office of the Attorney General is to supervise and direct the administration and operation of the Department of Justice, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Bureau of Prisons, Office of Justice Programs, and the U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals Service, which are all within the Department of Justice.

The principal duties of the Attorney General are to:

Represent the United States in legal matters.

Supervise and direct the administration and operation of the offices, boards, divisions, and bureaus that comprise the Department.

Furnish advice and opinions, formal and informal, on legal matters to the President and the Cabinet and to the heads of the executive departments and agencies of the government, as provided by law.

Make recommendations to the President concerning appointments to federal judicial positions and to positions within the Department, including U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals.

Represent or supervise the representation of the United States Government in the Supreme Court of the United States and all other courts, foreign and domestic, in which the United States is a party or has an interest as may be deemed appropriate.

Perform or supervise the performance of other duties required by statute or Executive Order.


You would be incorrect.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Again you are incorrect. If the EO was illegal or unconstitutional the judges would have ruled as such and struck it down in its entirety. The EO is lawful and constitutional.

The arguments were made by the lawyers who brought the challenge. Please dont try and argue how our legal system works if you are unfamiliar with it.
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posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:21 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Phage

You may be right on that. Her job is to defend the administration.


No ..it's not. That is at the discretion of the AG. Her first obligation is to the constitution and rule of law. She found Trumps EO indefensible. You should read her letter to the President. She served under Bush, Clinton and Obama and has the bipartisanship respect of both conservatives and democrats.


Actually her job is to defend the administration. She isn't there to decide what laws are constitutional or how there administered. Her job is to implement the law according to the executive branches interpretation. Same with state atty generals they must follow the law according to there boss the state governor. And failure to do so means your out of a job but she knew this I'm pretty sure. Unless she actually thought democrats would protect her somehow but I don't think she was that naive.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Indigo5

OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL


Home » Justice Management Division
Organization, Mission & Functions Manual: Attorney General, Deputy and Associate

Attorney General | Deputy Attorney General | Associate Attorney General
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

The position of Attorney General was created by the Judiciary Act of 1789. In June 1870 Congress enacted a law entitled “An Act to Establish the Department of Justice.” This Act established the Attorney General as head of the Department of Justice and gave the Attorney General direction and control of U.S. Attorneys and all other counsel employed on behalf of the United States. The Act also vested in the Attorney General supervisory power over the accounts of U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals.

The mission of the Office of the Attorney General is to supervise and direct the administration and operation of the Department of Justice, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Bureau of Prisons, Office of Justice Programs, and the U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals Service, which are all within the Department of Justice.

The principal duties of the Attorney General are to:

Represent the United States in legal matters.

Supervise and direct the administration and operation of the offices, boards, divisions, and bureaus that comprise the Department.

Furnish advice and opinions, formal and informal, on legal matters to the President and the Cabinet and to the heads of the executive departments and agencies of the government, as provided by law.

Make recommendations to the President concerning appointments to federal judicial positions and to positions within the Department, including U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals.

Represent or supervise the representation of the United States Government in the Supreme Court of the United States and all other courts, foreign and domestic, in which the United States is a party or has an interest as may be deemed appropriate.

Perform or supervise the performance of other duties required by statute or Executive Order.


You would be incorrect.


Nope..the attorney general represents the United States in legal matters..the AGs duty is to the law and the constitution..

No where in that wall of text does it say it the AGs duty is to defend the Presidents tyrannical over-reach..in those scenarios she has a duty to NOT defend indefensible EOs.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse
It's only a temporary ban . .


You honestly believe that?


Yes. It is the same as legislation that was done a while back by Obama and congress. There will be stricter rules in the future after the ban though, they will be able to use social media comments to deny someone. Maybe they will kick out some immigrants that are starting chaos here before they get citizenship too. You know if you were not a legal citizen before and you made waves, you were kicked out of this country. Those rules are still on the books, no law has to be passed to enforce them.


Just so you know as we go along here, it is the process of doing things that I'm watching.

I am a methodical thinker. I like things planned out. I like problem areas addressed before decisions are made.

I am not a fan of "trigger finger" implementation.


Did you ever watch Ghostbusters? How long would it have taken those guys to get rid of ghosts if they had to follow all the legal normal procedures and had to follow strict laws that gave those ghosts rights.


You expect me to take that seriously?


Thinking methodical with Trump could drive you crazy.


Kind of the point, actually.

I don't think he's qualified for the position.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

So you missed the part I bolded about executive orders...

You really need to get with the program and stop trying to make a false argument when the facts clearly dont support it. Your position is now becoming embarrassing. The facts say you are wrong so accept it.


Perform or supervise the performance of other duties required by statute or Executive Order.


DOJ lawyers were involved with the EO and approved it.
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posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Please look up a few posts.
Trump's EO is no different than what Obama (and other presidents) have done.



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

you have the same opinion of the ag last summer????

bet you did not



posted on Jan, 30 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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dbl post
stupid fone

edit on 30/1/2017 by shooterbrody because: dumb phone




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