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WAR: Iraq Votes: Defiant Iraqis Vote in Their Millions Despite Bombs

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posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
ROFL

I just wonder if all the candiates are part of a secret satanic society
It's hilarious that anyone would consider these elections "valid" actually it's hilarious they would consider their own valid


Yes, and you too can be like Egypt, Syria, and Saddam's old government regime, and like others that have so-called elections where their dictatorship or government has a so-called vote and wins by 99.9%, right?


The "validity" of the free Iraqi elections is relative to the time and the history of this nation. And again, the "validity" of this new freely elected government is also relative being that they are only elected to set up the new Iraqi Constitution. Iraq will be freely electing government officials in another year.

Now, whats really "hilarious" is that one such as you would actually think to downplay what the Iraqi people are doing. Too bad you couldn't be their to vote and cast one for Zarqawi, huh?

Terrorist lost and democracy won this day, whether you like it or not. These people came out to vote, despite Zarqawi and his terrorist acts and threats that he and his goons would kill them. The voting process in Iraq is but one brick of many bricks for a free Iraq. These people should be admired and hailed as heroes when taking into account the past of this nation and when the last time these people had the ability to freely vote. Bet.




seekerof

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posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Heck, even I would vote if someone put a gun to my head!


Of all the pictures and video taken of this great day for Iraqis, please provide just one that shows a picture of an Iraqi voting with a gun to his head. Typical downplaying rhetoric, and none other than coming from the likes of you.

The only "gun" being pointed at the heads of these people were those "guns" of the terrorist and insurgents, under Zarqawi, that proclaimed that they would KILL any individual, and their families, for voting. How sad that you continue to spew the garbage that you do, with no real thought behind it.




seekerof

[edit on 30-1-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child

Originally posted by Ambient Sound
You would prefer that Saddam was still in power then?


I wouldn't prefer anyone. It's not my country. It's up to them who they elect or who they let come to power. I don't remember them asking for America to get rid of Saddam, do you?


That's a gracious attitude for you to have and an easy one. You don't have to live there. Yes, for the first time in many of their lives, it is up to them. Without so-called "Imperialist America", there would be no choice for them at all.



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 12:12 PM
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I dont think for one second that this is a free election. Some people may turn out to vote, but weather the outcome of the vote reflects the majority of the citizens is a completely different matter.

I dont know why some of you are playing this election up so much, there were polling stations deserted with 0% turn-out in some Sunni areas. When installing a Democracy you always run the risk of infecting a population with commercialism that may not always be desired. Too some people a "democratic" Iraq could mean a Westernised, commercial goods importing, capitalist bogland. With corporate slaves populating the corporate state.

Not everyone wants automobile dealerships and fast food restaurants everywhere, with intire streets of Starbucks coffee shops, etc. Im not saying everything was great for Iraqi's under Saddam, but who are we to stick our gigantic noses in?



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posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 12:23 PM
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THE STREETS SHALL FLOW WITH THE BLOOD OF THE UNBELIEVERS


What a joke, I have seen blooder bar fights.....LOL

I can actually picture some here pulling their hair out in rage that hundreds or thousands weren't killed, it just breaks their hearts. If the Iraqis were dancing in the streets they would claim the Reptilian/Satanists/Nazis were forcing them too


They shouldnt be such sore losers

I am happy to see them taking the first steps toward freedom


[edit on 30-1-2005 by Amuk]



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 12:30 PM
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Define Freedom. If your idea of freedom is western democracy, where the things you own, end up owning you, then your definition could do with some refining, Amuk.



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 12:40 PM
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Define Freedom. If your idea of freedom is western democracy, where the things you own, end up owning you, then your definition could do with some refining, Amuk.


I can't stand ambiguous rhetoric. Western democracy is as close to freedom as any governmental system has come close to. It's given people economic and social freedom. It's given you the right to sit here and insult the governments. You can spend your money however you want. Capitalism and democracy have also given you a higher standard of living then most ever thought possible.



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by MERC
Define Freedom. If your idea of freedom is western democracy, where the things you own, end up owning you, then your definition could do with some refining, Amuk.


OH Please


Is that the best you can do? We arent free because we have too much stuff? How does that equate with say, the Sudan where people are being bought and sold? Saudia Arabia where only ONE religion is allowed and they have religious police? What the heck does owning a washing machine have to do with it?



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by MERC
I dont know why some of you are playing this election up so much, there were polling stations deserted with 0% turn-out in some Sunni areas.


hat exactly is what a Democracy is about. You DO NOT have to vote and that is your choice. Boo Hoo for the Sunnis, if they do not vote then they get what they deserve IMHO.

Merc I can see you spinning the Revolutionary War this way too: "Big deal so you broke away, why are you guys talking this up so much??? Now where is that Leech???"



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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I can't believe people are trying to spin this into their own "Imperialist America" conspiracy theory. The very thought of people risking not only their lives but the lives of their families just to cast a ballot for change brings a tear to my eye. This isn't the end, it's the beggining. It's proof that, at the very least, the Iraqi people believe change is possible now and are willing to risk their lives to create that change.

It's very easy to sit at home in our comfortable computer chairs and downplay bold and brave actions taken by a country of people who have lived under terror as long as many of them can remember. But how many of us have actually had a gun pointed at us? When you're looking down that barrel every view you've ever held changes, how many of us are willing to risk our lives in the face of promised violence in the hope of changing the future for the better?

It's also egotistical and downright racist to hold a belief that an entire country of people are going to kow tow to whoever has the biggest gun, are they any less brave or inteligent than your friends, neighbors and relatives? I think many of these ignorant views are based simply on a lack of knowledge, how many of the "Imperialist America" theorists have taken the time to get to know and understand someone of Middle Eastern decent, let alone a first generation immigrant from such a country? These people are no different than we are, they want freedom and happiness, they dream of peace and safe streets for their children. They hope, as do we all, that tomorrow will be better than today.

I am personally impressed and overjoyed at the the election in Iraq and I think every last person who voted should be praised as a hero. I am also disgusted at people who feel the need to insult the actions of these people just to make themselves feel better about their own uneventful lives. When faced with a similar situation I doubt many of these ignorant people would have the balls to do the same. This shows that the Iraqi people are finally willing to trust us and I hope with all my heart that petty internal American politcal squabling will not ruin this. I think now more than ever we need to stay in Iraq, show them that we're behind them and will support them when they need us.



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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WASHINGTON - President Bush called Sunday's elections in Iraq a success and promised the United States would continue trying to prepare Iraqis to secure their own country.

Bush



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 01:45 PM
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Pro-government dribble. Thats all the residue your spilling in my direction is. Enjoy work tommorow morning, you free, free thinkers you.

P.S. Dont forget to watch whichever News Station that declared this election a success while you eat your toast before departing to undertake your pleasant day of corporate slavery. Perhaps you could also watch the evening news while you eat your dinner, before tucking the kids into bed and repeating the process all over again, every day, for the rest of your life. Barring your allocated holiday leave of course. Well, enjoy the watered down with piss definition of freedom you cling to while it lasts, because its going out the window quick fast.

Good day ladies.



[edit on 30-1-2005 by MERC]



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Some came on crutches, others walked for miles then struggled to read the ballot, but across most of Iraq millions turned out to vote Sunday, defying insurgent threats of a bloodbath.

Suicide bombs and mortars killed at least 35 people, but Iraqis still came out in force for the first multi-party poll in 50 years. While turnout was scant in some areas, such as the Sunni city of Samarra, elsewhere it exceeded expectations.

Many cheered with joy at their first chance to cast a free vote, while others shared chocolates with fellow voters.
Millions Vote



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by MERC
Pro-government dribble. Thats all the residue your spilling in my direction is. Enjoy work tommorow morning, you free, free thinkers you.

P.S. Dont forget to watch whichever News Station that declared this election a success while you eat your toast before departing to undertake your pleasant day of corporate slavery. Perhaps you could also watch the evening news while you eat your dinner, before tucking the kids into bed and repeating the process all over again, every day, for the rest of your life. Barring your allocated holiday leave of course. Well, enjoy the watered down with piss definition of freedom you cling to while it lasts, because its going out the window quick fast.

Good day ladies.



[edit on 30-1-2005 by MERC]


This is classic
If you work for a living your a corporate slave


Well Merc please tell us how you are so free. Did you find some way not to work for a living.

I bet Merc sits at home and collects a check from the goverment, he might not be a working "slave" just a leech.



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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ASKAN, Iraq - In the "triangle of death," where voting is a life-threatening experience, Karfia Abbasi held up her ink-stained finger, elated that for the first time she has been able to cast a ballot for someone besides Saddam Hussein.

"This is democracy," Abbasi said. "This is the first day I feel freedom."

For U.S. Marines helping guard Sunday's vote, the streams of men and women walking into the gritty polling places of this area south of Baghdad was a payoff more impressive than the toppling of Saddam's statue in the capital during the fall of his regime in April 2003 — less spectacular but tougher to bring off.
Saddam's Absence on Ballot Thrills Iraqis



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
The only reason many of the Iraqis are fighting is because they don't see the government as legitimate. They haven't seen progress.


That's not true, the only reason why there is fighting there is because the insurgents want control by force of everyone in Iraq, they want to be the bosses of Iraq now, or restore Saddam if possible, at least those that are still loyal to him.

The Iraqis turning up by the millions in the polls is testimony that they want to be free, i don't think any liberal or left winger can deny this anymore.....



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 03:23 PM
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This is "the first time the Iraqis will determine their destiny," Interim Prime Minister Ayad Allawi.

"The irony is the Arab regimes, who criticize the gaps in the (Iraqi) elections and demand they be honest and transparent leading to full democracy for all Iraqis, are themselves banning such elections for their own peoples," Lebanon's Al-Anwar newspaper political analyst Rafik Khoury.

"As you can see, we broke a barrier of fear," electoral commission official Mijm Towirish.

"This is democracy. This is the first day I feel freedom," Fathiya Mohammed, an elderly woman who voted in the small town of Askan south of Baghdad.

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posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 03:24 PM
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That's not true, the only reason why there is fighting there is because the insurgents want control by force of everyone in Iraq, they want to be the bosses of Iraq now, or restore Saddam if possible, at least those that are still loyal to him.


Someone can not deny that there are average Iraqis who are sympathetic to the insurgents, or are insurgents themselves. They aren't raving lunatics calling for Jihad, and they don't want Saddam back.



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 03:26 PM
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Jut a humorous afterthought, this has to have the Democrats drinking up a storm in Washington. I think we need a poll on who will be the first to commit career suicide and publicly speak out against this election. I'm personally casting my vote for Micheal Moore. (Ok, I know calling Moore a Democrat is an insult to Democrats, but I stand by my decision)



posted on Jan, 30 2005 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child

Originally posted by Ambient Sound
You would prefer that Saddam was still in power then?


I wouldn't prefer anyone. It's not my country. It's up to them who they elect or who they let come to power. I don't remember them asking for America to get rid of Saddam, do you?


Actually many did ask for the US to get rid of Saddam...and many are thankful of the coalition, including the US for ridding them of Saddam..... the problem is the media usually don't show this, they prefer to feed liberals with the worse news of what is happening there. It seems to work, you believe every happening over there is a sham and only destruction......there is no one good thing happening in Iraq according to you.......I guess you don't like to face the fact that there are good things happening there despite what the insurgents are doing.....

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