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Trump’s Immigration Ban Is Illegal

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posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: seentoomuch

So, a "former head" is "unclear."

Do you think that refugees are allowed into the US unvetted? Do you think that if insufficient documentation is provided it turns into, "well, we can't verify your information so just come on in!"

Is that the way it works?



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posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 01:19 AM
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Well, banning nationalities is already illegal
the SCOTUS already ruled on this
Chinese Exclusion Act

Banning specific nations may fall under this. It could get messy with the technicalities considering he is targetting specific religions (islamic terrorism vs just...you know..terrorism or religious terrorism). The flag waving may be his undoing..gotta play the smart game.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 01:25 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Evidently they, the Gov, have missed the mark several times with the perpetrators waving red flags in their faces (which the Gov ignored) led to the murder of many U.S. citizens, just out for the day, or going to the marathon, or going to a office party, etc. The whole system needs a overhaul imho. A red flag is a red flag, not a PC can't say anything do nothing, just ignore it situation. The families should have been picked up on the first red flag, clearly the vetting system didn't work. Until we work out a better system putting visas on hold is the right thing to do.

STM


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posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 01:30 AM
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a reply to: seentoomuch
Lots of words but you didn't say much.

Are you talking about refugees? Are you talking about visas? What are you talking about?



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 01:39 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

It's not a Immigration Ban... it's a restriction on immigration! duh...

www.usatoday.com...

President Trump denies he is about to authorize a "ban" on Muslim migration, only restrictions on entry from countries with a history of terrorism.

QUOTE: "Donald J. Trump "It's countries that have tremendous terror," Trump told ABC News in his first television interview as president. "And it's countries that people are going to come in and cause us tremendous problems."

Trump: No Muslim ban, just immigration restrictions
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posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 01:40 AM
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a reply to: Phage

I'm talking about the whole system. It's so unwieldy, so out of date that it actually works against itself. Refugees, visas all of it. It's a joke and falling apart. Vetting is No. 1 priority, no doubt. Quotas for countries needs to be revisited. A better worker's program for Mexico needs to be updated, etc. For people in the midst of it it seems the creepos get in easily and the honest, caring people are put at the back of the line. I agree with Trump.

STM



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 01:40 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: savemebarry




This is not speculation, it is evidently factual.

Please provide the factual verification that this is the case in the US, which is the only place in which Trump has any authority whatsoever.

Please provide evidence that refugees are allowed access to the US without sufficient vetting.


www.latimes.com...

dailycaller.com...







posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 01:59 AM
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a reply to: Phage

how can you vet people who have no documents or docs that could be easily faked?



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:05 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr
First source:

Testifying before Congress in September, Rodriguez said the U.S. government had rejected about 7% of applicants and placed another 14% on hold for further investigation. He noted that since the 2001 terror attacks, “not a single act of terrorist violence has been committed by a refugee who has undergone our screening procedures.”



Second source:

4.0.4. - Page not found.



Third source: Fox

Forth source: Not really the responsibility of the FBI to vet refugees but what Comey said is that if there is no record of a refugee doing anything bad there is no record of a a refugee doing anything bad. So, your answer, is "no refugees?"



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:06 AM
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a reply to: JinMI


I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).


As of right now, it's a 90 day ban on entry, period. Seperately, the same order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for 120 days. The entry ban applies to the following countries: Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen

Which is pretty strange because the EO starts out talking about 9/11 and none of the 9/11 hijackers were from any of those countries (15 were from Saudi Arabia, 2 from the UAE and 1 each from Egypt and Lebanon). The EO also states the following:


(e) After the 60-day period described in subsection (d) of this section expires, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall submit to the President a list of countries recommended for inclusion on a Presidential proclamation that would prohibit the entry of foreign nationals (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas) from countries that do not provide the information requested pursuant to subsection (d) of this section until compliance occurs.


That would imply that we can expect a) more countries to be added and b) that the ban will certainly exceed 90 days.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:09 AM
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Do you think that refugees are allowed into the US unvetted? Do you think that if insufficient documentation is provided it turns into, "well, we can't verify your information so just come on in!"
Is that the way it works?

Facts are hard for Trumpettes to accept for some reason.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:13 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Oh yeah I wonder why Saudi Arabia isn't on the ban list? And yes that was sarcasm.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:13 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Thanks, answered a few of my questions. Did you pull that from the immigration EO?



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:34 AM
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Actually the problem the FBI is pointing out about vetting is simple. Unless they do something big enough to get put in to a database in say he US or Europe theres no way to vet. Problem is if ISIL controls the area of course these people will be cleared And the odds of foreign governments figuring out whos an Isil member and who isn't is almost zero unless there is a defector. And then how could you trust there word over the others?



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:36 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Torture them for a while, they'll tell you the truth.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:37 AM
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Problem is if ISIL controls the area of course these people will be cleared

Your assumption is not valid



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:39 AM
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BTW, Even Australia now is victim to a random crazy muslim convert running into packed crowds in his car.... while the circumstances are different, he was a messed up meth head and violent by any standard prior, the fact that he did this, shows that influence by world events is not going to stop, but simply put, we need to apply caution where caution is due.


So you believe Gargasoulas was Muslim...you obviously must have some fine sources to back that up?

www.huffingtonpost.com.au...


The Muslim terror angle, however, kept spreading. "There are people out there looking for this stuff. Any time there's a crime incident when there are Muslims involved, they pick it up and say 'this is how Muslims operate'," Dr Andre Oboler, CEO of the Online Hate Prevention Institute, told The Huffington Post Australia. He watched the online discussion unfolding around the Bourke Street attack, and witnessed the "fake news" that quickly spread.





He said "amateur sleuths" soon tracked down Gargasoulas' Facebook profiles. Social media users found two profiles allegedly belonging to the man, and among a series of garbled and confusing posts, soon uncovered and spread one post in particular. On one of the profiles, which bore the name but no photos of Gargasoulas (and which now appears to have disappeared from Facebook), the owner of the page claimed he was an "Greek Islamic Kurdish ANGEL OF CULT". The same comment also makes reference to Yazdânism, a pre-Islamic religion whose Yazidi followers have actually been targeted by ISIS forces. He also mentions Freemasonry, Scientology and the Illuminati in his posts.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 03:33 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: dragonridr



Problem is if ISIL controls the area of course these people will be cleared

Your assumption is not valid



Id say my assumption is very valid I spent 8 yrs in Iraq and 3 yrs of that was vetting Iraqi civilians for jobs and security . And I also saw what happened when we got it wrong. But at least there it was military personnel who took the brunt of it. They knew they were going to be in harms way and volunteered for it. But now get these same people back to the United states where there victims could be teenagers in a mall or daycare or perhaps the wife grocery shopping. they cant defend themselves and they cant shoot back if someone is trying to kill them. Mistakes made here is even more costly than Iraq if you value the lives of your spouse and children.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 04:04 AM
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Politicians making promises they know they can't keep to get elected then blaming it on the system is nothing new.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 04:20 AM
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Trump and his supporters need to stop being such cowards... and abandoning what it means to be American.

Banning refugees and Muslim immigrants trying to escape horrible violence... banning based on religion....

Trump needs to grow a sack and recognize the country he leads and his supporters need to stop being such compromising p#ssies. I thought you guys have your guns? Man up. Liberal snowflakes aren't afraid, why are you? Believe in your country. Believe in what we stand for... don't start compromising ideals because you're scared of the big bad terrorist boogeyman.

F the terrorists. F 'em all. They want us to be scared. F them. They want us to compromise our ideals. They want us to not trust any Muslims. Little punk terrorists want to steal Islam and make you afraid of an entire religion. F them. F fear.

Let the refugees over. Let the Muslims who want to migrate here, come here.

Stop fearing the terrorists.



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