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The U.S. Had A Plan To Topple All 7 Countries On Trump’s Refugee Ban List

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posted on Jan, 27 2017 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AMPTAH

Quick question, and I mean this sincerely.

Should America welcome the refugees then eradicate the threat. What happens to the land? Do the refugees go back?


What is the threat?

Welcome the refugees, with usually screening for disease, ideology, etc..

I don't know what happens to the land. The bible says Damascus becomes uninhabitable, and nobody can live there anymore. Maybe that's what happens.

Otherwize, what the refugees do is their own business. Once they are in a free nation, they can come and go as they wish.

Many Jews choose to live in the US and Israel from time to time, coming and going as they desire.

It would be pretty much the same for anyone from these other countries too.

America isn't a prison, intended to keep them in. And it isn't a fort, intended to keep them out. It's a free nation, or used to be, that people can come and go according to their own will, it's "LIBERTY".

Isn't that what everybody is fighting for?




posted on Jan, 27 2017 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

America isn't a prison, intended to keep them in. And it isn't a fort, intended to keep them out. It's a free nation, or used to be, that people can come and go according to their own will, it's "LIBERTY".


So if hundreds of millions of Chinese want to come in, we should just let them? Seems like an easy strategy for a Chinese invasion. If millions of South Americans, millions of socialists from all over the world want to come in, we should just let them? Go ahead use our welfare system, attend our schools, even though you don't speak the language, use our hospitals, go ahead and vote in our elections - what could go wrong? Not even mentioning radical Muslims who desire to kill us all, but hey we are a free nation, come on in jihadis! To hell with our schools, to hell with our welfare system, anyone from anywhere can come in and take advantage, we are FREE. Your idea may sound good in your head, but in the real world, it would be catastrophic.



posted on Jan, 27 2017 @ 10:00 PM
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I bet Jordan was on the list also, but it wasn't shown because Jordan right now has US military bases. The only ever country apart from Syria between Israel and Iran.



posted on Jan, 27 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
Am I the only one who sees this? Am I the only one not blind to this?

The very fact that they chose these 7 countries is a sure sign that Trump is either being manipulated, or has deliberately now, or always has been, on the same wave length as the globalist NWO plan as it was under Obama and Hillary.

The Deep state is still in charge of this operation

Watch out Putin...


No, I see exactly what you're saying and your 100% correct. It's not an accident or a fluke that those same exact countries match up. No more and no less even. Meaning there are places on that list that don't actually belong on there as well as other countries Not on that list that most certainly should be on there.

So what does this mean though??

It means that none of this is going unplanned or uncontrolled. It means the same "Establishment Elite", the real one, is still very much in charge of the agenda. All this talk about Trump bringing down the "Establishment" is exactly what the man behind the curtain wants everyone to believe.

"The great and powerful Oz is being taken down at last", says the Great and Powerful Oz.

In reality though Oz is and was and will still be the Great and Powerful as always. Just as he planned all along. All he's done is swap out one evil witch for another to keep the game running smoothly.



posted on Jan, 27 2017 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

This is no surprise.

I'm sure Russia was to be last on their list, although NOT a muslim country they were inching a little too close to Russias border there for a while. I'm sure Trump will call them off now that he's in.



posted on Jan, 27 2017 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy

So if hundreds of millions of Chinese want to come in, we should just let them? Seems like an easy strategy for a Chinese invasion. If millions of South Americans,


Yes, definitely. All who want to come, let the come.

Remember, they have to buy things, buy food, buy transportation, pay rent or buy houses, etc...think of all the money they'll spend here, while they are here. I'm not suggesting that the US Gov "pay" for them to come. They come like all visitors, tourists, immigrants, bring cash with them, and spend spend and spend. When they run out of funds, they'll go back home, since the US isn't a communist nation providing aid to all who dwell here.

That's the beauty of capitalism. If you have a truly capitalist country, there's no need for all these walls, and rules, and confusion. Money determines what people can and can't do. The resources of the land are automatically allocated by the dollars voting for that resource. Nothing is being given "free" to all these travelers. They pay their way in, and pay their way out.



posted on Jan, 27 2017 @ 10:12 PM
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5 things to be a state;
1. Currency
2. Flag
3.National anthem
4.religion
5. borders
these things have an order of importance but I forget it. Regardless of these 5 things globalist's believe in melting pot style politics. Yes the seven countries now banned were once targets of destabilization by the us government and yes those 7 have also targeted other states for at the slightest destabilization and regime change. And yes guilt by association is a thing and yes America rocks and yes human right abuse is rampant the whole world over but the fact remains that certain States because of these 5 things that make up a state are leaders on the global arena.



posted on Jan, 27 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: BeneGesseritWitch

I think you could swap Religion with Shared Traditions and have the same result.

It's pretty much the same but not exactly the same.



posted on Jan, 27 2017 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm
No religion is the right word because shared traditions have their roots in religion and even the etymology breakdown of shared traditions would be rooted in primitive religion idealogy. I'd like to think of myself as not pertaining to a strict faith aswell but the reality is those 5 things have made and broken states in the past, we mustn't water down the scotch. HAHA religion with shared traditions, rebel scum.



posted on Jan, 27 2017 @ 11:09 PM
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a reply to: BeneGesseritWitch

I don't know. I think a society of agnostic peoples or even peoples of a variety of religions, as long as they didn't conflict with each other, would also operate just fine having and sharing traditions, even if they aren't based off any single Religion.

In fact, having "Freedom of Religion" and "Shared Non-Religious Traditions" would seem much less confrontational internally. It would allow for a personal Religious experience, which is how it's meant to be experienced in the first place. But also have the bonding aspect of traditions within a group that were flexible when needed.

Because over time Society changes a little bit and so do the traditions along with them to some degree. Religious Traditions however are very difficult to change even over long periods of time which cause a lot of internal struggles. Separating the two would allow for a cohesive glue for society without the rigid constraints of having them be religious in nature.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 12:34 AM
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posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:38 AM
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originally posted by: BeneGesseritWitch
a reply to: mOjOm
No religion is the right word because shared traditions have their roots in religion and even the etymology breakdown of shared traditions would be rooted in primitive religion idealogy. I'd like to think of myself as not pertaining to a strict faith aswell but the reality is those 5 things have made and broken states in the past, we mustn't water down the scotch. HAHA religion with shared traditions, rebel scum.


Nonsense. Traditions are beliefs or behaviors shared by a group. The don't need any religious base.

In fact there are plenty examples of religions assimilating/corrupting preexisting cultural traditions.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:57 AM
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Okay if traditions are beliefs or behaviors shared by a group, what does a religion need? A people to practice and spread religion off of a tradition base, that's what it needs.
Of course there are examples of religions assimilating/corrupting preexisting cultural traditions, only an real genius would pretend our cultural identity is not a layer cake. I really feel strongly about religion being the right word about one of the 5 things that makes up a state; you can not substitute it with shared traditions because traditions are derivatives of religious norms. 5 things to make a state; CURRENCY, BORDERS, RELIGION, FLAG, NATIONAL ANTHEM



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 03:15 AM
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Fact change is the only constant and you've addressed it brilliantly by trying to parallel western society with worldly traditions. As much as you may think otherwise even western society abides by the 5 laws of state and you can believe that substituting shared traditions is the same as religion. However you suggest that religion changed as a result of society changing. And yet if society changed so much why do people care about who governs Jerusalem? Why does society lay claim to marital status and the ever present taxes we must pay? Society as you may understand it gives tax cuts to religious organizations and non profit groups maybe because of shared traditions; but what exactly is that shared tradition? Salvation of the soul? Belief in inherent purity? Religion is the right word, don't confuse yourself.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
I predict a major nuclear treaty violation by Iran in July.




/Yawn

People have been predicting that since the 1990's......



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 02:35 PM
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If I were a tinfoiler, I'd look at a map of the ME, and remark at how this is all prime real estate for blocking off the Black and Caspian Seas & their connector waters. I'd also remark that "Heyyy, doesn't Russia have a naval presence on those..." I'd also notice how strategic those countries are in proximity to the old bloc countries, and I might think those could be mighty handy to have easier access to (and their airspace) once the pesky neighbors are restrained.

You know, if I was a tinfoiler.



posted on Jan, 28 2017 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

I guess that's why 7 countries got banned from immigrating...
We can't have the innocent people fleeing what we've been doing in their home countries...

We can't let the average Jane/Joe here listen to emotional stories of predominantly white faces doing it to them.
Kinda makes the masks they hide their faces with a little more transparent, eh?



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 11:24 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

Refugee ban list: "The list is expected to include Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen"
Wesley Clarke 7 wars list; Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

The ban list contains Yemen, which, apparently, is not found on Clarke's list.
Also, Clarke's list contains Lebanon, which is not found on the banned countries list.
So, they only have 6 in common, not 7. Still an interesting coincidence.
But, it's a significant difference from being an identicle copy of a list of 7 countries.
I am not sure what the connection could be, other than that they are "terrorist" nations, so the MIC created the first list, thinking they could solve the problem with intervention and delivering democracy, (or maybe they didn't really care about solving the problem but knew they could make a bunch of money from 7 wars, and figured it would be an easy sell to the public that these nations needed our "help".) and now Trump, seeing these are still terrorist hotbeds, decided on a different approach, and instead of having us interfere more, thinks it's wiser to tighten up our borders and immigration policies.



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: BeneGesseritWitch

So what are you saying with these 5 laws? Since the US has separation of church and state, and since it no longer has much of a unifying (official, state supported) religion, and since atheism is the 2nd largest "faith" in the US, it is in danger of losing it's statehood through civil war or some other thing like a voluntary split up/succession?

Can atheism be a unifying religion to keep a state together? Can there be more than one religion? Can science be a religion? How about worship of man's acheivements?
edit on 1/29/2017 by 3n19m470 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 29 2017 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Oh, i see what you mean... "Money dictates what people can and cannot do" "let them pay their way in and pay their way out".

Sure, refugees, you can come on over, no problem... IF you can afford a plane ticket over here, rent, food, utilities, transportation, entertainment and medical care during your time here, and then a plane ticket home. So... Do you, or do you Not have an extra $30,000+ per year and an additional $20,000 for travel here and then back home for a total of $50,000??? (Calculated for a family of 3)

You are a very shrewd and wise man, AMPTAH... But so cold hearted!
I like your style
Satan himself would probably feel nervous standing near you!
But I got to hand it to you though: your way works




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