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Mexico president cancels Trump summit as wall jibe deepens spat

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posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 12:35 PM
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Countries don't "play ball" like corporations or individuals. I don't know why Trump thought Mexico would come tamely to the table and pay for the wall (it's obvious they won't) - but Nieto just showed that he also plays hardball.



Mexico president cancels Trump summit as wall jibe deepens spat
By Miguel Gutierrez and Steve Holland

MEXICO CITY/PHILADELPHIA, Jan 26 (Reuters) - Mexico's president on Thursday scrapped a planned summit with Donald Trump in the face of insistent tweets from the U.S. president demanding Mexico pay for a border wall, a deepening spat that threatens Mexican efforts to salvage trade ties.

However the White House left open the door for a possible rapprochement. White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the United States was keeping open lines of communication with Mexico and looking to reschedule the meeting.

Taking a page out of Trump's playbook, President Enrique Pena Nieto fired the salvo on Twitter, after Trump's call for Mexico to foot the bill for his planned wall prompted a groundswell of calls in Mexico for next week's meeting to be called off.

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Nieto is also using Weapons Of Mass Twittering in this fight, which is better than other options. Mind you, this is a silly way to achieve transparency in government communications, but...

...in any case, the result is that Trump isn't getting what he said he wanted.


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posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: Byrd

I don't think he had much choice after Trumps earlier comments but to cancel the visit , I would caution him against getting into a twitter spat with Trump but he's right to stand up to him.

Just watched the Republican Retreat speech , the guy is mad and power will just exasperate that.


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posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: Byrd

I always took his announcement that Mexico would pay as nothing more than a slogan for his followers. That worked and when Nieto first said that they would not, Trump augmented his line to, well we will fund it and then later they will pay us back. And that sat well with his followers also.

Now he is going ahead with the wall, so he says, and they are all happy. He never believed that Mexico would pay for the wall. Ever.



posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 12:47 PM
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Looks like they're real nervous about the coming changes to NAFTA.




posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: Byrd

Posted twice already

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posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Looks like they're real nervous about the coming changes to NAFTA.





Looks like they don't give a # about crybaby Donnie


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posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 12:52 PM
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This is cute, Mexico is flexing and posturing from the weaker position. People really need to recognize that this is a whole new game and the US doesn't need Mexico's approval or acceptance of anything. We eliminate NAFTA and build the wall and the savings on eliminating all of those illegals from America's social spending programs combined with the tariffs on Mexican imports and return of many jobs to the US from Mexico will pay for that wall... Who presently benefits from that social spending and those jobs? Mexico does, obviously. The $100 Billion+ annual tax payer expense to feed, educate, incarcerate, and medically care for all of those illegal aliens is $100 Billion+ Mexico doesn't have to spend on their escapees and the $64 Billion annual US losses thanks to NAFTA are presently $64 Billion additional dollars into Mexico's economy.

Nieto's positions and thoughts on all of this are truly meaningless in this New Day in the USA. We're playing a zero sum game now and there is no path forward from which Mexico can win that game.




posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: xuenchen
Looks like they're real nervous about the coming changes to NAFTA.





Looks like they don't give a # about crybaby Donnie


The Mexican president is just worried because he hasn't had to deal with a U.S. president with a spine is all.



posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

exactly.

The Mexican president is simply posturing for his people, It looks good politically at the moment.
He has no choice to bend the knee, but he must make it look like he put up a fight. It's his best plan to win, keep government power and make trump look like the bad guy.



posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:09 PM
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We eliminate NAFTA and build the wall and the savings on eliminating all of those illegals from America's social spending programs combined with the tariffs on Mexican imports and return of many jobs to the US from Mexico will pay for that wall... Who presently benefits from that social spending and those jobs? Mexico does, obviously. The $100 Billion+ annual tax payer expense to feed, educate, incarcerate, and medically care for all of those illegal aliens is $100 Billion+ Mexico doesn't have to spend on their escapees and the $64 Billion annual US losses thanks to NAFTA are presently $64 Billion additional dollars into Mexico's economy.


Actually, it appears that we may need illegal/undocumented worked to help bolster our social services programs.


The truth is that undocumented immigrants contribute more in payroll taxes than they will ever consume in public benefits. Take Social Security. According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), unauthorized immigrants -- who are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits -- have paid an eye-popping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade. "They are paying an estimated $15 billion a year into Social Security with no intention of ever collecting benefits," Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the SSA told CNNMoney. "Without the estimated 3.1 million undocumented immigrants paying into the system, Social Security would have entered persistent shortfall of tax revenue to cover payouts starting in 2009," he said. As the baby boom generation ages and retires, immigrant workers are key to shoring up Social Security and counteracting the effects of the decline in U.S.-born workers paying into the system, Goss said. Without immigrants, the Social Security Board of Trustees projects that the system will no longer be able to pay the full promised benefits by 2037.




A 2013 CBO analysis of the failed bipartisan bill introduced by the so-called "gang of 8" that would have created a path to legal status for many undocumented immigrants found that increasing legal immigration would increase government spending on refundable tax credits, Medicaid and health insurance subsidies, among other federal benefits. But it would also create even more tax revenue by way of income and payroll taxes. That could reduce deficits by $175 billion over the first 10 years and by at least $700 billion in the second decade. ITEP estimates that allowing certain immigrants to stay in the country and work legally would boost state and local tax contributions by $2 billion a year.


Also:


Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.


Please read up at the link. This issue is more complicated than people like to make it out to be.

Mexico is in the weaker position, but they are in a "symbiotic" relationship with the US and while we may like to pound our chests because we are the big dog on the block, we may be only hurting ourselves in the end for no logical reason.

money.cnn.com...
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posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:13 PM
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Mexico can cut their nose off to spite their face.But they will be getting their criminals back one way or another.
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posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: jellyrev
a reply to: burdman30ott6

exactly.

The Mexican president is simply posturing for his people, It looks good politically at the moment.
He has no choice to bend the knee, but he must make it look like he put up a fight. It's his best plan to win, keep government power and make trump look like the bad guy.


It's all being worked out, much of it behind the scenes. It's going to be good for both countries. Trump has said nothing but respectful things about Mexico and its people as well as their president. His only criticisms have been about bad deals and illegal immigration.

Breathe. We have a leader now....a REAL leader and everything is being worked out.


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posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:20 PM
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He should work on making Mexico great for the Mexican people instead of bitching about not being able to send folks here.

Just sayin'

All those natural resources yet Mexico is poor AF?

Literally 4 story mansion next to cardboard huts, how about fixing that mess?



posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Horrible deflection.



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posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:36 PM
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Because they *may* contribute $15 billion a year to SS, we should continue to piss away well over $100 Billion a year on educating, incarcerating, and caring for them? Hey, I'll give you 15 of these one dollar bills in exchange for only one of your hundred dollar bills! What a deal, ya?



posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:39 PM
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They're going to need a lot of concrete, Mexico is the 7th largest producer of cement. I believe the largest Cement company in the US is CEMEX, a Mexican company. The second largest is Lafarge, which I believe is French, but having worked in construction, I hardly ever see Lafarge, and the times I've used it, it sucked, it was too "gummy". I'm in the Bricklayers union, however my friend worked in the concrete industry, roads, sidewalks, buildings etc... he said pretty much Mexico dominates the cement production and supply in the US.

The wall, plus what Trump says he's going to do with the infrastructure is going to boost Mexico's cement production a bit.

It's a win-win really.



posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: Majestic Lumen

CEMEX has plants all over the US. Money is the universal solvent and they'll happily provide the materials when they see the money, I'm sure.



posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:49 PM
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... and then China and Russia step in to cut trade deals and business developments with Mexico as a way of flipping the middle finger to US bulldog tactics.



For every problem, there is a solution.

Or do you guys actually think the Mexican president is too stupid to have a plan B already in the works if talks with Trump fail ?




posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: Majestic Lumen

I bet American companies will be making tender offers soon.




posted on Jan, 26 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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Do we really want to have a hostile nation on our southern border?

Do we really want to have Chinese military bases in Mexico?



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