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I Know Some of You Hate Trump...We Cannot Treat Each Other Like This for 4 Years...

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posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: TarzanBeta

to you Tarzan, couldn't agree more!




posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: whyamIhere

Plenty try. There are many of us in the middle and on the left who do agree with & support some of Trump's ideas. That's called meeting in the middle on common ground. However, the narrative is that we all must support every idea under any and all circumstances, no matter how poorly thought out for the short term or the long run.

I will not abide by that. No one should be expected to in a free country. A citizens should damn well be able to stop, assess, think and not be afraid to dissent. Any demands for absolute loyalty will not be received well, and neither will "what was once good for the goose is now good for the gander." That is a responsibility and integrity cop-out, two poor choices do not make a good one.

The "but some crybabies did it before" from the right needs to end. This is not Crybaby Excuses 2.0, now is it?


I am looking for middle ground.

Nobody would expect you to go along blindly.

But, if we don't at least look for some middle ground.

We will never get anything done.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:45 PM
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I'm still sort of floored that he is attempting to follow up on so many of his promises.

I was just hoping he'd streamline the bureaucracy some being a CEO and being used to an efficient business.

But I'm not sure how this infrastructure thing is going to wash out. We do need it, but it's spending. I want to see how the money is supposed to work out, but it does look like they have actual projects marked out which is more than the previous stimulus had.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: LumenImagoDei
Trump is such a polarizing figure and I don't believe that's by accident personally. I have no choice but to give him a chance so I will but his polarizing nature makes me not trust him or his/his handler's agenda.

I do agree that we should be respectful though. This site has become such a negative place because of the bickering and arguing.


Agreed, both candidates ran a very polarizing dirty campaign, which seems to be still trickling along on a much smaller scale.

Though personally given his demeanour and some EOs so far I think it's acceptable to remain highly vingilant and keep very close eye on those frist hundred days, rather than sit on your hands and do nothing if you disagree with the policy (from the UK, guessing this is some US tradition, but it's completely alien to me). He has made a handful of good decions I didn't expect.

However regardles of how much may want him to fail he still manages to do a decent job eventualy - Trump fqiling destrows the world, not just America.

Respectfu of peoles choice to vote, certainly -



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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No. The liberal ideology has to be wiped out.
Once they get to their bargaining phase, sympathy is not an option. Crush them.

.... Only joking




.... Sort of




.... Well, OK. Not really.


edit on 25/1/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
There's your answer, whyamIhere....

(just read the last few posts
)


The words "too soon" come to mind.

We can disagree without negative comments.

I hope...



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I've never seen or heard of such a divisive president before, if you thought Obama was bad with divisiveness then you haven't seen anything yet. Of course dividing the population into groups that fight each other tooth and nail only benefits those at the top. Trump is divisive, that was my main point.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:48 PM
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Meh I voted Libertarian so didn't have a dog in the race. I could not stomach either candidate so I let America roll the dice. Though I didn't expect a Trump win. I figured ole Hillary was to well connected for that to happen. Not being part of the polarity it's interesting to see the tribes squabble. Im sure that Trump will Take his own dump on the Constitution as every president before him has.
edit on 25-1-2017 by SolAquarius because: have you ever tried writing on forum using a phone



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: whyamIhere

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: whyamIhere

Plenty try. There are many of us in the middle and on the left who do agree with & support some of Trump's ideas. That's called meeting in the middle on common ground. However, the narrative is that we all must support every idea under any and all circumstances, no matter how poorly thought out for the short term or the long run.

I will not abide by that. No one should be expected to in a free country. A citizens should damn well be able to stop, assess, think and not be afraid to dissent. Any demands for absolute loyalty will not be received well, and neither will "what was once good for the goose is now good for the gander." That is a responsibility and integrity cop-out, two poor choices do not make a good one.

The "but some crybabies did it before" from the right needs to end. This is not Crybaby Excuses 2.0, now is it?


I am looking for middle ground.

Nobody would expect you to go along blindly.

But, if we don't at least look for some middle ground.

We will never get anything done.

The most vocal demand isn't for middle ground, though. It's for complete agreement, an all or nothing ultimatum that goes nowhere. Compromise is indeed a foreign word here.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: SolAquarius
Meh I voted Libertarian so didn't have a dog in the race. I could not stomach either candidate so I let America role the dice. Though I didn't expect a Trump win. I figured ole Hillary was to well connected for that to happen. Not being part of the polarity it's interesting to see the tribes squabble. Im sure that Trump will Take his own dump on the Constitution as every president before him has.

I voted Johnson, too, but that doesn't mean there's no room to compromise and meet in the middle anyway.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:51 PM
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We are all Americans.


Funny.

I've spent the last 15+ years being told that I am an Un-American Leftist, commie pinko that wants to destroy this country using my Alinsky tactics, paid tribes of violent thugs and a biased MSM in my back pocket...That I want to take your guns, murder every unborn baby and eat them at my satanic, anti-Christian bonfires.

And now that Trump is in office, you guys (not saying you, specifically) want to have a kumbaya moment and ask "can't we all get along"?

Sure. We can get along, but not until everyone has their own moment of introspection to realize where they played a role in this division.

We can start by being reasonable in our discussions. If we can't do that, there is no point.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah

Compromise ends discussion before anyone can master all of the facts.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Yes and no.

There is a certain poisonous mindset that has crept into a subset of the group that should never be allowed near the levers of power, but at the same time, there are ideas.

And I believe that all ideas have their place and are worth examining on their own merits, even if, in the end, they are ultimately discarded. That means even the most repellent and abhorrent of ideas should have their place and time to be explored.

If nothing else, we need to understand why they are the horrific things they are and keep re-affirming that amongst ourselves and in society at large. Better to examine them in debate and theory then in practice.

Don't you agree? I'd rather rationalize out why communism and socialism lead to the horrors we have seen in the countries that try them than have to learn about it the hard way. The same goes for ideas like genocide, cannibalism, and other things on a similar scale.

And, of course, there are some things that we simply can't game out adequately on the internet, but that doesn't mean the discussions themselves aren't worth having.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: whyamIhere

People can work together, if they are willing! Eight years ago, I recall a lot of people saying, "Give him a chance", when discussing O, and telling us to wait and see. Well, that shoe is on the other foot. Let's see how many can take their own advice, and try to work together.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth



No. The liberal ideology has to be wiped out.


Well, I think that's what plenty of them would like to see happen to conservative ideology.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: whyamIhere

Plenty try. There are many of us in the middle and on the left who do agree with & support some of Trump's ideas. That's called meeting in the middle on common ground. However, the narrative is that we all must support every idea under any and all circumstances, no matter how poorly thought out for the short term or the long run.

?



Whos saying that? Are you sure you are not talking about the former? You know the old guy that just left? The one that you were a GD racist if you didn't agree with him? That guy?



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:56 PM
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originally posted by: LumenImagoDei
a reply to: ketsuko

I've never seen or heard of such a divisive president before, if you thought Obama was bad with divisiveness then you haven't seen anything yet. Of course dividing the population into groups that fight each other tooth and nail only benefits those at the top. Trump is divisive, that was my main point.


And my point to you is that if you think Trump is so divisive, it might be mainly because you don't agree with him.

You clearly didn't see Obama as a divisive figure. You words above tell me as much. "If you thought that Obama was bad with divisiveness ..." which implies I'm the one with that problem which you clearly did not see or feel as badly ... likely because you liked Obama or agreed with a lot of his positions.

I don't see Trump to be as polarizing and divisive as Obama because I happen to agree with him more than I ever did Obama.

See how that works?

If you don't feel aligned with the person in question, they suddenly seem divisive to you.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: whyamIhere

People can work together, if they are willing! Eight years ago, I recall a lot of people saying, "Give him a chance", when discussing O, and telling us to wait and see. Well, that shoe is on the other foot. Let's see how many can take their own advice, and try to work together.


I came to ATS for the intelligent discussion.

I welcome its return.



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: introvert




And now that Trump is in office, you guys (not saying you, specifically) want to have a kumbaya moment and ask "can't we all get along"? Sure.We can get along, but not until everyone has their own moment of introspection to realize where they played a role in this division. We can start by being reasonable in our discussions. If we can't do that, there is no point.


Agreed, the division is on BOTH sides.

And I promise, if Trump F#es up I will stand besie you to call him out!



posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 08:00 PM
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I`m not seeing all this division that trump is alleged to have caused.

maybe it`s just that the people who have chose to be divided are imagining that more division exists than what actually does.



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