Trump announces 5,000 new border agents and tripling of Ice agents to go with wall at DHS

originally posted by: BlueAjah


(unless I did not understand exactly what you are asking - training of law enforcement for their normal duties has nothing to do with immigration issues)

Correct both times.
In case it has missed your notice, police killings over a long time, has caused an exponentional increase in street protests, more related deaths, and vandalism. Much more important to making people safe in their homes, and safe on the streets. Much more important than any wall, anywhere.

a reply to: stosh64

My personal favorite is the fake hypocritical outrage coming from Mexico over Trump wanting to secure our southern border.

Mexico moves to lock down its OTHER border wall: Government tries to stem the flow of migrants heading north by tightening its porous southern border

By God Mexico will not pay for the border wall. However they have no problems with the US paying for their border wall.

Obama Administration Is Spending $75 Million Securing MEXICO’S Southern Border

a reply to: Xcathdra

Umm... you do realize there isn't a border wall separating southern Mexico right?

a reply to: Grimpachi

Now Mexico wants to build a border wall with Central America to keep out illegal immigrants from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala

It seems Mexico agrees with Donald Trump's plans to build a wall to keep out illegal immigrants - but only on its southern border with Central America.

Mexicans are calling for the border wall to keep out Guatemalans, Salvadorans and Hondurans fleeing violence in their own countries.

They complain 'hordes' of immigrants pass through on their way to the United States -who are then simply deported back to Mexico rather than their home countries by the US.

Central American migrants are left stuck in border cities with Mexican officials unable to afford to send them back to their own countries, according to an article by one of the largest newspapers in the border state of Tamaulipas, El Mañana, titled: 'Yes to the Border Wall … but in Mexico's South.'

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The point is Mexico wants one yet opposes the US from having one. Mexico wants to secure its southern border yet opposes the US from doing the same.

a reply to: Xcathdra

That raises a question about when we deport Illegals. If they are not Mexican are we deporting them to Mexico? What if Mexico denies them re-entry to their country will the US be paying for flights back to their country?

a reply to: Grimpachi

Yup the american tax payers pick up the tab.

Also Mexico has increased deportations of central Americans, surpassing the US. Something else not reported in the news.

originally posted by: stosh64
Trump announces 5,000 new border agents and tripling of Ice agents to go with wall at DHS

Kim Jong Trump's own Berlin wall!
What a devolved human...

originally posted by: BlueAjah
More help paying for the wall (although they said there are already funds budgeted for it to keep them going for quite a while)

Sec. 6. Civil Fines and Penalties. As soon as practicable, and by no later than one year after the date of this order, the Secretary shall issue guidance and promulgate regulations, where required by law, to ensure the assessment and collection of all fines and penalties that the Secretary is authorized under the law to assess and collect from aliens unlawfully present in the United States and from those who facilitate their presence in the United States.

There were finds for this that were just sitting there going unused? I find that a little hard to believe. How are we REALLY paying for this?

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: SyxPak
a reply to: stosh64

I like that!! A Manned Wall is for sure the way to go with that!
Also Sanctuary cities being removed is a Plus!!

Sending money to cities who break Federal Immigration Laws was CRAZY to begin with. Don't know why Obama couldn't see this. Keep that money and use it to help build the wall.

Exactly right about sending that Money there! Uhhh, I think Obomb saw and knew about it. Was just funding some of His friends, perhaps?
You last sentence is right on the money too!! Couldn't agree more!

a reply to: Grimpachi

As Marco Rubio said, 40% of the illegal immigrants are visa overstayers. Deportees are returned to their home countries. I suppose if a home country will not take someone back, they would be placed in a detention center here.

The increase in ICE agents will be to find those staying in the US illegally. Business and home visits are one way. (The way it used to be done.) Anyone who is found to "facilitates their presence" will be given a fine/penalty. Landlords, churches, charity groups could be giving assistance and would be under pressure to ask for citizenship/legal residence proof before assisting; landlords, churches, and groups could also be visited to determine if they have been giving assistance. A family or friend who knowingly (or unknowingly) gives assistance would be visited to find people here illegally.

a reply to: Annee

Not to mention it is an executive order. He will have to shuffle around money.

The first to fall...

Miami-Dade mayor orders jails to comply with Trump crackdown on ‘sanctuary’ cities

Fearing a loss of millions of dollars for defying immigration authorities, Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez on Thursday ordered county jails to comply with federal immigration detention requests — effectively gutting the county’s position as a “sanctuary” for immigrants in the country illegally.

Gimenez cited an executive order signed Wednesday by President Donald Trump that threatened to cut federal grants for any counties or cities that don’t cooperate fully with Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Since 2013, Miami-Dade has refused to indefinitely detain inmates who are in the country illegally and wanted by ICE — not based on principle, but because the federal government doesn’t fully reimburse the county for the expense.

“In light of the provisions of the Executive Order, I direct you and your staff to honor all immigration detainer requests received from the Department of Homeland Security,” Gimenez wrote Daniel Junior, the interim director of the corrections and rehabilitation department, in a brief, three-paragraph memo.

Unlike cities like San Francisco, Miami-Dade never declared itself a “sanctuary” and has resisted the label ever since the Justice Department listed the county as one in a May 2016 report. Foreseeing Trump’s crackdown on “sanctuary” jurisdictions, the county asked the feds to review its status last year. A decision is still pending.

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The incidents of US-Mexico Border Patrol agents being attacked are surging.

Source: americansecuritytoday.com...

Could the increase in attacks be triggered "pre-wall" desperation to get into America?

originally posted by: carewemust
The incidents of US-Mexico Border Patrol agents being attacked are surging.

Could the increase in attacks be triggered "pre-wall" desperation to get into America?

Aren't incidents of law officers being attacked surging in general?

originally posted by: carewemust
The incidents of US-Mexico Border Patrol agents being attacked are surging.

Source: americansecuritytoday.com...

Could the increase in attacks be triggered "pre-wall" desperation to get into America?

Well the thing we need to do with border agents is allow them to actually do their jobs and protect themselves without tying their hands so much....

I have 3 friends that are border patrol agents and the big thing is, they are many times going up against, or monitoring heavily armed cartel members and coyotes.....

And when you dont have the gov granted ability or hardware to defend yourself, or use escalation of force to take care of business, theres not much you can do but watch them come over and throw your hands in the air......

Keep in mind im not advocating the execution of illegals or drug runners, but like I said, the coyotes are armed and many times running with 2 or more leading illegals over, or its literally cartels trafficking the people over who could afford to pay them, and those guys are geared up...

And they know the border agents cant do much...

Anyway its a very complicated issue, with many nuances that need to be addressed....

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust
The incidents of US-Mexico Border Patrol agents being attacked are surging.

Could the increase in attacks be triggered "pre-wall" desperation to get into America?

Aren't incidents of law officers being attacked surging in general?

Courtesy of the left and terror groups like Black Lives matter yes.

More enforcement, more visits by enforcement. This is an example of what would happen to determine the whereabouts of visa overstays and illegal hires. The 11 million can be found everywhere and anywhere in America, so any business, church, rental building, home, organization, school can be approached with few or larger group of officers. As I mentioned in a prior post, INS agents paid a surprise visit to a neighbor's home in the 1980s. Since then, illegal hires can be found all over. And visa overstays, incorrect paperwork, and illegal hires are not all Hispanic.

ICE agents mistakenly show up at preschool in SF’s Mission

Herrera added that Thursday’s enforcement wasn’t all that unusual under Obama-era policies that directed small-scale operations to target alleged criminals or those with a final order for deportation.

“They were looking for one or two people,” Herrera said. “It’s not these collateral raids that we are afraid are going to shortly happen.”