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posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 05:26 AM
Trump and the UK better hold Beijing (not "china") to the handover contract.

Screw Taiwan, it's Hong Kong that people should be worried about.

We are leverage.

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 05:28 AM

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Nyiah

Forgive us for prioritizing our nation's success, prosperity, and our childrens' future participation in the American Dream over the trade concerns of foreign nations. We tried neocon globalism and liberal self depreciation and both FAILED this country, so now we're back to what actually made the USA the shining city on the hill: America first.

What about the "Australian Dream"? It's all very well saying you want to focus on yourselves but we've helped you lot out in many ways over the decades including practically every war you got yourselves into.

You just want to throw us under the bus now? Get stuffed.

Australia: if this experiment works, your economy stands a chance to thrive in a major way by selling all the materials China has paid you scraps for to an America that is once again investing trillions of dollars in solid infrastructure. Imagine if you will Australian iron ore being manufactures into quality US steel instead of it becoming half-assed Chinese steel with a failure rate that makes the Cleveland Browns blush.

China got us through the GFC relatively unscathed compared to the rest of the world - a GFC caused by you lot don't forget.

If you're going to buy our iron ore in quantities like the Chinese did then maybe you have something, but I doubt you'll be building entire empty cities and making several billion cars for your populace - and other "nation building" reasons. I highly doubt what you buy off us would come even close to what China has, and you'll just bully us into giving you the same "scrap" prices that you claim China gave us.

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posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 05:28 AM
a reply to: JesusXst

I agree. Seems like all doom porn like the 60's and 70's.

Turnbull just trying to act tough. Won't work. He hasn't the cricket balls. Just air filled Ping Pong nuts.

kind regards,


posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 05:31 AM
a reply to: bally001

haha I like how you put that. Nice!

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 05:34 AM
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Yeah they want to crucify Trump it's not working though.

Watch, it will get interesting from here on out.

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 05:46 AM
a reply to: Kryties

1. If your argument is that the Australian Dream requires the USA to restrict her actions in ways that aren't self-serving, then I'd say you must not have a very active REM cycle down under. The US isn't asking for any quarters here, we are simply setting our positions for what is best for us... as every nation on Earth should be doing for themselves anyway.

2. China has been using Australia's resources to build empty cities and cars without buyers... you find that to be a sustainable boon for Australia? This administration is intending to return to the sane days of investing in infrastructure for a tangible rationale, building projects that actually have demand. Not wasting resources on one-offs like a ghost city to honor Mao or wasting billions on nonsense like Solyndra. At least we know the Wall will serve a real purpose and our roads and bridges will actually see vehicular traffic on them. The current Australian boom has only served to decimate your natural resources so that China can post artificial "growth" numbers and manufacture shoddy skyscrapers that still sit vacant in walled off cities that will never see Chinese residents.

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 06:04 AM

Trump thumped: The US President is winding up to hit Australia

DONALD Trump is waging a war we need to stop very soon.

It’s a war on trade. His first victim was the Trans Pacific Partnership, which he killed on the first day in office. Great. It was a dog’s breakfast — as much a tangle of rules and limitations as anything worthwhile.

But Mr Trump is not finished. He wants to go a lot further in his attack on trade and he has a detailed plan. Australia is just collateral damage to him. He doesn’t give a damn if we get hurt.


Trade is a massive part of Australia’s economy. If you know anyone who works in tourism or mining, tertiary education or agriculture, you probably know someone who owes their job to trade.

Australia needs trade. We’re just not a huge country, so we need to buy a lot of things in and sell things out. It is worth remembering imports are important to Australia too.

Buying Australian made is fine when we make a good version of the thing in question, but who’d buy an Australian-made iPhone, for example? Imports help us get stuff we never could have obtained otherwise at better prices than if we made it ourselves.

As this next chart shows, we often import more than we export.

Trade: It goes both ways.

The evidence is pretty clear that trade makes you better off. Certainly when countries aren’t allowed to trade, they rapidly fall apart.

North Korea is the shining example of the folly of self-sufficiency, with Cuba and Venezuela as other salient examples. China was totally impoverished til the 1980s when it gave up on Chairman Mao’s crazy ideas and started to become the trading superpower it is today.

Whitlam first cut our tariffs back in the 1970s and started Australia on the path to being one of the most trade-friendly countries in the world. This coincided with Australia shooting up the rankings in terms of wealth.


Trump’s antitrade vendetta has several parts:

1. He’s promised a big border tax for any American firm that tries to move part of their operations overseas.

2. He’s also promised to take America out of the North American Free Trade Agreement, which would be a massive shock.

3. Threatening a trade war with China.

All of these are big, but the last one is the biggest, because it would probably blow up global trade.

The whole picture matters, for example, we sell a lot of stuff to China that they make into something they sell to Vietnam, where it is transformed for export again. We can’t expect a trade war to go on and just sit and watch. We’re part of it, the moment it starts.

The organisation that monitors international trade is already nervous. The WTO says the number of new trade restrictive measures being introduced is “worryingly high” and could hurt job creation.

Think of global trade like a stream that powers the mill that is the Australian economy. Global trade keeps our wheels turning. So when Trump threatens to reduce the stream of global trade, we are at risk of grinding to a halt. Our economy has already got problems and nobody wants to see Aussie companies lay off workers.


Eagle eyed readers will have noticed the asterisk earlier. This is where we admit things are a bit more complex. Trade is good, on average. But that doesn’t mean it helps all the people, all the time.

Sometimes it hurts certain regions. Certain industries. Readers in northern Adelaide know all too well what I’m talking about. Sometimes those regions and industries never recover, and the people who live and work in them have lives that are really genuinely worse than they would have been otherwise.

But with the car companies moving out of Australia, it is going to be easier to help Adelaide in a world of lots of trade, not a world of increasing isolation.

The head of the RBA (Reserve Bank of Australia) said in 2016 that increasing isolation “would be costly for the US and very costly for us … Of the things that I worry about that’s probably right at the top of the list.”

The best chance we have is if Trump’s popularity keeps falling. If his popularity slides, he’s less and less likely to be able to do what he says he wants to do. Even members of Congress from Trump’s own party won’t want to co-operate with an unpopular President. They can sniff the wind and they’ve got elections in two years.

Hopefully Trump’s antitrade war stops after the first battle, and we can all breathe easy.

Jason Murphy is an economist. He publishes the blog Thomas The Thinkengine.

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posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 06:34 AM
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Congratulations on Trump, I hope he is better than hillary

The US won't buy our iron ore, there are closer places to source it cheaper
The Aussie dream requires exports, we don't export much to the US so no, we don't really need much from you guys in the US

Our natural resources remain largely untouched, the world map lies, we are a bigger country than we appear, with plenty of untapped resources, very few people, not nearly touched, how can they be decimated?

China are the boom economy, cheap labor and just learning quality. I remember when stuff from Japan was labeled cheap crap.

Yeah, the US needs to clean up their own, can't see that happening, internal strife or war
China suffers the same problem, people hate communism, they want it out.
There can only be violence

Good luck USA, you are going to need it sorry to say. China owns you, imagine if they called in their debt, imagine when they force the US currency to be dumped as the reserve
Your own people are so divided, drugs, crime, racism, greed and so many wars, your country seems to outsiders almost completely corrupted

Thanks for saving our arse in WW2, we appreciated it more than you could imagine
Australia needs China, not so much the US, that's the reality

We import more from the US than we export to them, they make up less than 5% of our global export partners
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posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:26 AM

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: VengefulGhost

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: VengefulGhost
Go with u.s = war
Go with china = make money

Best bet learn chinese .

Nah uh.

China has 1 billion people, Australia 23 million. Look at what they are doing over the tasman. They are literally staging an economic takeover.

Last week NZ's largest financial company was sold to them. They were blatantly influencing the last PM (John Keys) They are buying up huge swathes of homes in Auckland and leaving them empty, making Auckland the 4th most expensive city on the planet. They are moving on to Tauranga now and prices are skyrocketing.

China's actual game plan is to make us all economic refugees in our own country.

Go with USA = last hope
Go with China = selling out the country from under our future generations

Becoming a pile of radioactive ashes isnt much a future .

Now now, such a Debbie downer. China has about 260 nukes, the USA 6,800.

Who do ya think is gonna win? China would be committing suicide if it launched any.

We all lose as at that point everything will glow in the dark .

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 07:45 AM
a reply to: Agit8dChop

Don't you dare compare the irrelevant speck that is ISIS, with the enormous, looming threat that was the military machine of the Nazis! That would cheapen every effort made against the Nazis, against near impossible odds mind you. If the same military might were applied against IS, they would be dead and gone in one week without fail or exception, that is not something that needs debate, it is just how it is.

They are, compared with the Nazis, a threat as limp as badly boiled cabbage. They are also controlled, owned opposition, rather than being a thing unto themselves, and we need to stop being disingenuous about that without delay.

As for China... it is highly unlikely that China is going to be the next target for America. Put simply, Western nations in this century do not favour war against nations whose capacity to defend themselves is considered adequate, let alone extensive. China have an absolutely incredible number of highly trained, inhumanly disciplined, well equipped troops, a solid navy and airforce, not to mention technical sophistication over and above that of most other nations on the planet, militarily speaking. War with them would be amongst the most utterly stupid things, that a nation could choose to engage with, no matter if that nation happens to be the United States of America, or Uzbekistan. For all Americas military might, they would not find war with China to be an agreeable or even statistically advisable idea, no matter what method of assault appeared preferable.

This would not be like fighting terrified goatherds in Afghanistan, or the most ill disciplined and fundamentally useless military in the history of modern warfare in Iraq. This would be like throwing good men, women, and wartech, into a blender and hoping for something other than a smoothie to result.

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 08:28 AM
Everyone here is in debt government 750 billion Aus$ and highest personal debt per capita in the world medium house price in Sydney a measly $8700000 anyone got a tent for sale

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 08:38 AM
What is the USA doing that would affect relations with Australia? Talk about a lot of nonsense.

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 08:45 AM
a reply to: jjkenobi

I forgot what our prime minister's name is .All I hear is trump

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 08:54 AM

originally posted by: jjkenobi
What is the USA doing that would affect relations with Australia? Talk about a lot of nonsense.

Wow. Someone didn't

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 09:57 AM

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Agit8dChop

Uncertain times ahead for sure, it really doesn't help either with our prime minister fumbling when Trump was elected, I suspect Trump looks down on him as a stupid little man.

Yes he is a stupid little man,but one vetted by the US Ambassador as all our Prime Ministers are.

Australia is run by the CIA and if they dont like you then like Gough Whitlam they will get rid of you,John Pilger journalist documents all this.

As a good little proxy nation state we are expected to go off to fight and support Exxon-Mobil,Haliburton,Fluor,Genie oil and gas,Perini,URS etc and the banking cartels and to support arms purchases from United technologies,General dynamics,Raytheon et al whether they are the best match for our military or not.

In return could we expect support from the USA if attacked,the answer is purely economic,if there isn't a buck in it we are on our own.

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 10:33 AM
a reply to: crazyewok

While your comment is obvious hyperbole, I do subscribe to the idea that we need to get out of the alliance business for a while and fix ourselves, first. There shouldn't need to be a reliance on a document that claims we are allies in order for there to be a healthy relationship between countries.

Alliances generally do more bad than good, IMO, often resulting in unnecessary wars, and in many cases, the U.S. ends up paying the bulk of the bill for multi-national incidents resultant from obligations tied to alliances.

The U.S. in and of itself is broke in more ways than just financially--we need to take time for ourselves. You're damn right that we should focus more on ourselves right now, and there's nothing wrong with that, unless other countries are afraid to lose our financial aid and military backing, which for many countries I can see as being a pretty big blow (but something on which they should not have been allowed to grow a perpetual reliance).

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 01:44 PM

originally posted by: TrueBrit
China have an absolutely incredible number of highly trained, inhumanly disciplined, well equipped troops, a solid navy and airforce,

China's 2 million People Liberation Army is well trained at keeping the population in check and suppressing dissent. The cost of modernising the Chinese military is pretty high, which is why much of the army, navy and air-force is actually poorly equipped.

I am not dismissing the Chinese military, but it should not be over-egged. It is after all vital for internal repression.

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 01:50 PM

originally posted by: crazyewok
I dont think Americans will care.

They will burn all its allies at this point just so they can chant USA USA USA!


'Cause America sucks.

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 02:00 PM
Don't forget all the Australian farm land the Chinese are buying...

posted on Jan, 25 2017 @ 02:49 PM
a reply to: DBCowboy

No of course not.

USA is superb when it has a well balanced foreign policy.

Its when it goes from one extreme to another it fails and the last decade has seen it yoyo from extremes.

The USA needs to be harsh on "allies" that leech off it. But countrys like Australia that have spilt blood along side American troops should not be discarded.

Unfortunately apart from Israel (who ironicly are leeches ) alot of die hard Trump fans would see even those loyal allies stomped on for nationalistic pride, just because Trump can.
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