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The Emperor Has No Facts — Sean Spicer Confirms Trump's Delusions

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posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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As you've likely heard, in another egregious display of ego before country, President Trump dedicated the first ten minutes of his meeting with congressional leaders on Monday to repeating his deluded claim that 3-5 million illegal votes cost him the popular vote:


The president was joined by Republican and Democratic leaders from the House and Senate for a reception in the State Dining Room.

The Washington Post reported that Trump spent the first 10 minutes of the gathering rehashing the election campaign. During that period, he made his claim about the illegal votes.

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., alluded to it, telling reporters that Trump and the lawmakers talked about "the different Electoral College, popular vote." Asked if anything surprised her about the meeting, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said, "I won't even go into that."


Today, Sean Spicer confirmed that the President does in fact continue to believe and state his belief that 3-5 million illegal votes were cast in favor of Hillary Clinton:




"My point to you is, to ask us on day two, he made a comment last night on something he's believed for a long, long time," Spicer said. Spicer later added that it's not his job to say whether he personally believes millions of ballots were illegally cast.




A number of Republicans in Congress are choosing to believe in reality rather than to accept the alternative facts put forth by President Trump:


Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters at the Capitol on Tuesday that he’s seen “no evidence” of voter fraud.

And Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who was critical of Trump during the campaign, urged the president to stop making the claims.
“I am begging the president: Share with us the information you have about this or please stop saying it,” Graham said.


NPR correspondent Mara Liasson noted that 3-5 million illegal votes would be the "biggest scandal in American electoral history" and asked if the President truly believes this is what happened, why isn't he calling for it to be investigated?

I find that to be a very very important question. If he truly believes that 3-5 million illegal votes were cast, why isn't he as President of the United States doing something about it? If he doesn't believe it, then he's clearly lying and in doing so, casting doubt on the integrity of the American voting process in order to protect his fragile ego.

Neither of these is acceptable.
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posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Other than protecting his ego, does this even matter? He's already the president.. Its not like he lost and is trying to prove he should've won. Or am I missing something?



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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Adding to the above:

What alleged evidence is President Trump purportedly relying on?

On October 17th, Donald Trump telegraphed an excuse which was likely intended to be one for a loss of not just the popular vote, but the election itself:


Then there’s the issue of illegal immigrants voting. The following comes from a 2014 report from the Washington Post. This article was entitled, “Could non-citizens decide the November election?” Here’s some excerpts. “More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote.” Oh, isn’t that wonderful.

“Because non-citizens tend to favor Democrats,” — to put it mildly — “Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 sample …” You don’t read about this, right? They don’t tell you about this. “…we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories is various close elections.” OK? All right? “Non-citizen votes could have given Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform … and other Obama administration priorities.” Now, it continues, “It is possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina.”


From this we can get an idea of what he's citing as "evidence" (when he bothers to do that much). The problem is that not only isn't it proof of massive voter fraud to the tune of 3-5 million votes — or even 3-5 thousand votes — what's he was citing back before the election was in fact thoroughly torn apart by the very people who'd collected the data:


Trump accurately quotes from the blog post. But the authors’ results are contested by a number of academics, including those who administer and manage the data on which it is based.

The study relied on data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, which is administered by YouGov/Polimetrix and managed by Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Richman and Earnest estimated the number of noncitizens who voted nationwide based on those in the survey who self-identified as noncitizens who voted.

“Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010,” Richman and Earnest wrote in the Post.

In a blistering rebuke of that study, the managers of the database on which the article by Richman and Earnest was based wrote in Electoral Studies that “measurement errors” in the survey led to a “biased estimate of the rate at which non-citizens voted in recent elections. The results, we show, are completely accounted for by very low frequency measurement error; further, the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0.”

“Their finding is entirely due to measurement error,” one of the authors, Stephen Ansolabehere of Harvard and the principal investigator of CCES, wrote to us in an email. “Measurement errors happen. People accidentally check the wrong box in surveys. The rate of such errors in the CCES is very small, but such errors do happen. And when they do happen on a question such as citizenship, researchers can easily draw the wrong inference about voting behaviors. Richman and Earnest extrapolate from a handful of wrongfully classified cases (of non-citizens).”

How do the database managers know? Ansolabehere explained, “We asked people in successive years their citizenship. That minimizes the error. Upon doing so we find NO INSTANCES of voting among people stating consistently that they are non-citizens.”

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posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:16 PM
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Unrelated, but I clicked on your link for your news feed.

Looks like some interesting stuff there, nice to see you have other interests than your trump obsession.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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Do you think there are illegal immigrants living in America?
If so how many?
Now, after answering the top to questions how many do you think vote illegally?


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posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

There is nothing to prove. It is just as you said that he is trying to protect his ego.


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posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: theantediluvian

Other than protecting his ego, does this even matter? He's already the president.. Its not like he lost and is trying to prove he should've won. Or am I missing something?


He clearly won the election. The only purpose it could serve is to protect his ego. That he is even dedicating time to promoting this bulls# is irresponsible and its bad for the country.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

Thanks for clarifying that this thread is pointless and making it clear OP has just a big of an ego.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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I watched that whole, .. strange questions for a day 2 of a presidency.

I think he handled most stupid questions well.

Example: Reporter with angry face: How is there are 21000 vacancies at the VA ?
( WTF: did they resign yesterday ? Or may it be an inherited problem ? )

May I ask with all due respect:

Is your intention to attack everything Trump related because you are convinced that once you have chosen a side , all means and matters are necessary to "defeat the enemy" , even if they are sometimes minor or ridiculous ?

Ignore the good to prevent momentum, over emphasize the bad, to gain traction ?

I ask this.. because.. its starting to look like searching for nails on low tide. (And in my opinion becoming counter productive )



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

How about letting him mess up the country first before you say its bad for the country?



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:29 PM
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National voter ID. Then no one will be able to make this claim, substantiated or not, again. It will not be an issue anymore.

Practically everyone carries a drivers licence or a passport anyway.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: avgguy

What we need is evidence to support the claim.

Individual guesses about illegal immigrants followed up by more guess work about how many of them voted is anything but evidence of anything.

If you had any evidence to support illegal voting you wouldn't need to ask random people to answer those questions and imply that they are meaningful. You could actually provide some evidence for what your saying. But you can't so you rely on unsupported implications and guess work.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Um....so what?

Obama still thinks if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, and that there were no terrorist attacks in the US during his reign.

There all full of $h!t, just different shades and smells.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: Grimpachi

Thanks for clarifying that this thread is pointless and making it clear OP has just a big of an ego.


Then the difference must be that the OP doesn't task the government to protect his ego.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

And why don't you point out how the left propaganda demonizing machine pushing for divide is bad for the country?



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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It's OVER, the liberals are OVER






posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

How are you going to prove illegal voting when the person that's voting isn't who they say they are? The closest evidence are the project veritas videos.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: avgguy
Do you think there are illegal immigrants living in America?
If so how many?
Now, after answering the top to questions how many do you think vote illegally?

I'd say probably less than 1% try to vote in our presidential election.

Why would you think most of the people sneaking in here to work give a #### about American democracy and our elections? To them, its about sending as much money back home to help their families as they can and getting in and out without getting caught.

Why would someone risk that over trying to vote for president?



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
Adding to the above:

What alleged evidence is President Trump purportedly relying on?

On October 17th, Donald Trump telegraphed an excuse which was likely intended to be one for a loss of not just the popular vote, but the election itself:


LOL! For the last few weeks you and your media had been pushing a Russian conspiracy theory WITH NO EVIDENCE to back it up. The lack of self awareness is mind boggling. You yourself were posting fake news almost daily during the campaign. Now you're hear to expose the truth? HA!



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: theantediluvian

How about letting him mess up the country first before you say its bad for the country?


Really??

Is that the way you go about things in your life???

You don't put forth any kind of foresight into problems and deal with them before they happen at all??? You just let stuff fall apart before you deal with it???

Do you run your car completely out of gas before you get more too???

Do you see problems and just ignore them until stuff starts breaking too???

You're suggestion for people to wait until he screws up the nation before we do anything is ridiculous.







 
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