Trump signs executive orders to advance Keystone XL, Dakota Access pipelines

a reply to: amazing

The oil is to be processed at refineries in Texas. It does not have to be exported. It can be used by the US.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
This is going to get a lot of use, methinks

And I like it.

My God...

Think she even made it to work this week?

a reply to: attitudeadjustment

did you know the U.S. leases many of our own offshore oil rigs to Saudi Arabia of all places? Now they get our oil, from our rigs, that they probably just go and sell back to us.

You can thank corruptible politicians and the lobbyists in Washington for stupid moves like that

did you know the U.S. leases many of our own offshore oil rigs to Saudi Arabia of all places?

Saudi has to do something with all that oil money America has been giving to them. Perhaps the protestors should target the supertankers coming from the middle east instead of pipelines carrying North American production.

originally posted by: attitudeadjustment
a reply to: amazing

The oil is to be processed at refineries in Texas. It does not have to be exported. It can be used by the US.

But if you research..the plan is to ship it to China. Very few jobs or economic benefits to Americans. Big benefits to corporations, Canadian and Chinese corporations. I have a problem with that.

a reply to: amazing

But if you research..the plan is to ship it to China.

Source? Half a million barrels of oil a day will keep an entire refinery busy, there's plenty of jobs right there.

originally posted by: FamCore

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
This is going to get a lot of use, methinks

And I like it.

My God...

Think she even made it to work this week?

I don't even know if it's a 'she.' I've just been calling it the 'ambiguous adult tantrum baby.'

a reply to: amazing

Each pipeline generates 10-20 permanent jobs... that's it and we don't get the oil, like you said. Seems like only a few benefit while millions get put at risk to have their homes, land or water contaminated by leaks.

a reply to: Kali74

Each pipeline generates 10-20 permanent jobs... that's it and we don't get the oil, like you said. Seems like only a few benefit while millions get put at risk to have their homes, land or water contaminated by leaks

Source?

a reply to: D8Tee

What's the point in providing a source? It will just be called fake. Trump supporters have become preschoolers who are absolutely positive that if they have a blanket over themselves, you can't see them.

Oh sorry... 50

The construction phase, though, is expected to take only one to two years. After construction, the pipeline would employ a lesser number, primarily for maintenance. The total number of long-term jobs: about 50.

Politifact

a reply to: Kali74

Oh sorry... 50

Yes, 50 direct jobs, employees of the pipeline.
The economic impact of course is considerably different than the simple picture painted for you by the media.
Pipelines have an economic advantage for producers, it is 7 dollars a barrel cheaper to transport by pipeline.
Pipeline capacity is 470,000 bbl a day.
The producers will realize a gain of 3.29 million dollars a day, that will translate into jobs, of that there is no doubt.
If the refined product is indeed being sold to China (you have provided no proof), what is your issues with this?

An employment increase of nearly 33,000 job-years resulting from the direct and the secondary impacts of the spending
 The average annual compensation for those jobs will exceed $57,000
 About 39% of the jobs will be construction jobs, engineering and architectural services will account for about 6% of that increase, followed by food services, real estate and employment services
 The increase in employment will generate a $1.9 Billion increase in labor income
 And a nearly $5 Billion increase in production and sales in the region3

ETP Report

Folks are really zeroing in on the small number of people that will be employed by the pipeline itself. It is important to keep in mind that pipelines need constant monitoring, upgrading and maintenance. These service and production businesses will have to increase their staff or new business will be formed.

The EO signed yesterday stated that all steel for this need come from inside the U.S. This is a pretty big deal.

a reply to: JinMI

Folks are really zeroing in on the small number of people that will be employed by the pipeline itself.

Seems a lot of people won't read past headlines. Even still, where are the critical thinking skills? I can see at a glance that a pipeline that flows 1/2 a million barrels of oil is going to have more than a 50 job impact. The USA is in big trouble.

a reply to: D8Tee

I see your critical thinking and raise you unbiased research. Finding information that you agree with is fast and easy and can pass as research. Really digging in and that means seeing and understanding the opposing view is equally as important. That is going the way of the dodo.

Headlines and click bait titles along with a deteriorating educational system has us on a very bad path.

Trump sends an unmistakable signal on pipelines: Big oil is back

“In the end, this is all a tempest in a teapot,” said Andrew Hoffman, a professor of sustainable enterprise at the University of Michigan. The project, he said, ultimately would not lower prices at the pump or add significantly more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

So, apparently it's not going to really help nor hinder invested interested in the end. The ones who will continue to suffer are the ones having to deal with it locally.
Source

a reply to: dreamingawake

So, apparently it's not going to really help nor hinder invested interested in the end. The ones who will continue to suffer are the ones having to deal with it locally.

Right, there is no danger of warming up the earth from this pipeline.
There are, however, significant economic impacts that will help many.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You could also have a look at this link:
DAPL Stay Informed

originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: dreamingawake

So, apparently it's not going to really help nor hinder invested interested in the end. The ones who will continue to suffer are the ones having to deal with it locally.

Right, there is no danger of warming up the earth from this pipeline.
There are, however, significant economic impacts that will help many.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You could also have a look at this link:
DAPL Stay Informed

Yeah, I've read all the counter arguments.

“President Trump is legally required to honor treaty rights and provide a fair and reasonable pipeline process,” Tribal Chairman Dave Archambault said in the statement. “Americans know this pipeline was unfairly rerouted towards our nation and without our consent. The existing pipeline route risks infringing on our treaty rights, contaminating our water and the water of 17 million Americans downstream.”

Source
Seventeen-million Americans or even a smaller amount is a lot to worry about when there's already been a leak: this past Dec.:
"Pipeline rupture spews oil into creek 150 miles from Standing Rock"

Electronic monitoring equipment failed to detect a pipeline rupture that spewed more than 176,000 gallons of crude oil into a North Dakota creek, according to the pipeline’s operator, about 150 miles from the site of the Standing Rock protests.

The potential for a pipeline leak that might taint drinking water is at the core of the months-long standoff at the Dakota Access pipeline, where thousands of people have been protesting against its construction. That pipeline would cross the Missouri river.

Source

Will people's land, rivers, and water access areas for boats be used unwillingly to further pipeline projects outside of the Reservations be a problem? Sounds like you'd have bigger issue then the claimed absurd Bundy's cattle and OR standoffs if that happens.

a reply to: D8Tee

Right, the producers absorb all the reward and none of the risk. These pipeline companies notoriously don't pay up when leaks happen, local governments do.

Of course there's all the people that will be displaced as well.

Between the pipelines and building the wall, Trump stands to become the President that displaced the most amount of non native Americans, ever.

Can I get a MAGA?

a reply to: dreamingawake

Yeah, I've read all the counter arguments.

Have you taken the time to read the court decision?
earthjustice.org...

a reply to: Kali74

Of course there's all the people that will be displaced as well.

People are being displaced? Where and for what reason?