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Will the europeans ever be powerful?

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posted on Feb, 21 2005 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey

Originally posted by edsinger
The US military has no OFFICIAL capacity with the game, only the Aussies.


- Yeah right; you believe what you want to ed.

(Same thing applies to the Army 'game' the Americans released a while back. Put it in your PC at you peril!)



Man you are paranoid, but it is a conspiracy board so...




posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 03:47 AM
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OK, LISTEN UP!

This thread is obviously just a topic for racist idiots who like to argue to vent some steam!

The one thing I'd like to say, I doubt anyone has said this before, everyone just seems to be yappin' about "What if the US invaded Europe....", yeah, WAKE UP MC FLY, not anytime soon! The thing you Americans have to realise, (Not trying to be racist here!) is we Europeans are not like YOU! We don't go around the world, bragging about how powerful our armies, and how we are a superpower and can change the world and all this sort of crap! One thing you have to realise is, contrary to what you believe, we're not a bunch of war-loving nuts who challenge other 3rd World nations, in a effort to supposedly "democratize" them, which is by far stupid! We respect other nations and cultures, we like our peace, and we spend BILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year thinking up ingenious ways on how to kill people!!!

Get it in your head, war is NOT cool! Even as we speak, U.S. forces are in another country, trying to get rid of "weapons of mass destruction" that pose a very REAL threat and must be taken care of! Yeah right, the Iraqi War of 2003 has to be one of the most uncalled for, unjustfied war in years!!! And the war on terror, another excellent way to waste money, and gain other countrie's land and resources, let's see, what progress have the great American's made, NONE!

Let's examine the situation here:

-Have you guys caught the supposed "king of terror" Osama Bin Laden=NO!

-Have come close to stopping Al-Qaeda and closing down their terrorist cells=NO

-Have you stabilised the very hostile situation in Iraq=NO

-Have you managed to install a successful interim government in Afghanistan that the country's citizens have ACTUALLY APPROVED OF=NO

-Have contributed positively at ALL, in past 5 years to the world in way=NO

Why do Americans feel like your the World Police? Why is it you feel you must democratize every single nation on the EARTH before your satisfied that there is no evil government in any nation in the world? Why do you keep trying to disarm other countries of the world, when your defence spending yearly is a world record, and you possess the world's largest nuclear, 2nd largest chemical and biological stockpile of weapons in the world? Why must you get involved in other countrie's business, and then completely cripple them when you decide to take action and invade them? Why are you targeting all these 3rd World, Middle-Eastern nations, as the "homeland of terror", if anything America's Military is one of the most terrifying in the world, and if you think your country doesn't have problems, TAKE A DAMN LOOK:

-Highest rate of death by firearms every year=America

-Highest Defence budget spending in the world=America

-Only country to be involved in all the major conflicts of the past 20 years apart from Britain, UN, and NATO=America

-The leader of the war on terror, that has made no progress in stopping terrorism at all, seems more like to turned into a crusade against foreign nations=America

-Largest Nuclear weapons stockpile of around 10,000=America

-One of the world's most unapproved presidents in modern history, that has been elected for a 2nd term, and has an average approval rating of 38% in opinion polls by its OWN people=America

-Is America the land of the free, when powerful corporations can silence dissidents like Michael Moore, a citizen=No

-Is America the land of plenty, when one household in thirteen lives in a trailer=NO

-Does the US have the best way of life, when in a BBC poll, 96 per cent of foreginers interviewed in Germany, England, Australia and from Russia out of almost 10,000 say that they wouldn't want to live in America=NO (In the same poll, 1 Australian in 100 says she wouldn't prefer to live in America.)

-Is America the safest country in the world when it has some of the world's most ridiculous gun laws resulting in the death of almost 12,000 citizens every year, just because it's part of a constitution written back when America had no defence force=NO

-Is America truly the beacon of justice, when it tortures prisoners of war in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay=NO

-Is America truly the cradle of democracy, when its president is elected by a minority=NO

-Is America one of the world's least polluting and fossil emission producing nations=NO

-Is America one of the smartest nations in the world, when the general populous have an average IQ of 82=NO

-Is America a clean, crime-free, peaceful nation, when Drug-Trafficking into the United States is making a profit of around $120 billion dollars, and when overall Drug Use in America is estimated to be around 29%, and when violent crimes in the U.S. like murder, attempted murder, grevious bodily harm and man slaughter are second only to some nations in South America and Africa=AND NOPE

A RESOUNDING NO AND AMERICA! The signs of a sick, sad nation.

Behind it all, you can find a powerful blend of ignorance, hypocrisy, and obedience. It’s a kind of disease, something I call the ‘IHO Syndrome’: I for ignorance, H for hypocrisy, O for Obedience. Under its influence, lies become truth, wrong becomes right. Peace becomes war, justice becomes torture.

I'm not saying every American is bad, but your country is FAR from perfect!

So please, before you go around saying U-S-A! U-S-A! and blabbing on about how powerful you are, take a good long look at your own nation and what it's doing to the world and itself! Face it, America is slipping, other nations are going to become more powerful than, nobody lasts, so don't be so thick-headed and deny that America isn't a Superpower, sure it maybe NOW, but resentment towards the US is growing, I'd would be VERY careful if I were George Bush, but of course I'm not. Americans are jealous because they won't be able to control the world and influence it like they always have, because other nations are becoming more powerful!

Please realise, it is not about who's got this and whose got that, and which country has a got a bigger army and blah blah blah blah.... you Americans are forcing all of these bad things on yourselves, that why your society is SO corrupt, it's CORRUPTED FROM WITHIN! Your lifestyle is practically controlled by the government and other power corporations and people without you knowing it!

I will leave it at that as I could go on forever: On a final note here's a famous blog called "I don't want to be an American":

I'm 28 years old. I don't want to go through the next 50 years of my life living in an international air of worry and uncertainty. I don't want to live in a permanent state of fear, generated by a megalomaniacal American government taking advantage of the majority low IQ populous' capacity for being brainwashed.

I don't want to live like Israel, fighting militant Muslims round every corner. The problem of Muslim extremists exists and needs to be dealt with, not encouraged by invading innocent countries and waging war on people who have done nothing to deserve it. I want my children to grow up in a world free from military oppression and I want a government that understands that the wars of the future are guerrilla ones which can never be won, even if they are waged for noble purposes (which theirs never are).

The world is fu*cked up enough as it is. The food chain has been poisoned so badly the average human is full of chemicals normally found in plastics and toxic waste. I'm sick of global warning and environmental damage to the planet and the fact the all this time the greenies were right. I'm sick of America being the biggest wilful contributor to the pollution of the planet.

I'm sick of an American school system that produces children who are brought up to believe that America IS the world and anything that goes on outside is irrelevant. Children so stupid they think America invented the Internet, computer, motor car, light bulb, telephone etc ad infinitum....

The Internet or it's successor is the future of entertainment and I'm sick of stupid low IQ, ignorant Americans infecting every corner of it with their insular, jingoistic mindsets, their whiny voices and manifestations of their low self esteem driven by the fact that despite it being their turn as the world's super power, no one actually takes them seriously or gives them the respect that the British or the Ancient Greeks got because a superpower best known for producing mass produced crap is never going to get the respect that one who gave the world Shakespeare, culture, philosophy or mathematics will get.

I'm sick of hypocrisy and two facedness. I'm sick of Gangsta Rap and hamburgers, Political Correctness and TV programmes that begin with 'When' and end in 'go bad and attack people'. I'm sick of reality TV and I'm sick of news programmes that are more censored than accurate. I'm sick of tokens, token minorities, token universities, token degrees, token attempts at the truth, tokens. I'm sick of fat people, ugly people, stupid people, gay people, coloured people, female people, whiny people all complaining they don't have the opportunities in life they would like and it must be someone else's fault. I'm sick of women that act like men and femininity being a crime, unless you're a man in which case you're a new man which nobody ever wanted because there was nothing wrong with the old one. I'm sick of people falling over and suing the ground and people watching nipples and suing the TV and I'm sick of coffee cups with 'don't pour over yourself, you may get burnt' on the side to try and counter this.

I'm sick of stupid Americans who don't know the difference between patriotism and jingoism and who think flag waving should be an Olympic event. I'm sick of Americans who cry that people hate them or are jealous of them or who are anti them because someone dares to point out that the America they've been programmed to believe in from birth bears no relation to the one that exists in real life.

I'm sick of ignorance, I'm sick of stupidity, I'm sick of people, especially Americans."



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 08:30 AM
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CORRECTION FROM BEFORE: and we (change to DON'T) DON'T spend BILLIONS OF DOLLARS a year thinking up ingenious ways on how to kill people!!!

Oops, I left out some more stuff, those incidents regarding America exporting children to various parts of the world for the global sex trade, or all those charges of childen abduction that go in the United States, and how 58,000 children were abducted in 1999, and all those paedophilia and child pornography charges made about High Ranking US officials, politicians, police and the list goes on and on... There sooo many problems with the U.S. right now you couldn't fit into a 1000 pages. But I'm sure we can sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened right? Just like you guys do with most of your problems...

So please, before you go yelling about how Europe is a craphole, and we have sooo many economic, humanitarian and political problems and such, which I ADMIT, Europe does have problems but so does some of your supposed research and facts, TAKE A GOD DAMN LOOK AT YOUR OWN COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS AND SHUT YA MOUTH! BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TALK! THANKYA MA'AM, AND LIKE TO GO TO LIKE YOU KNOW, HELL!


[edit on 22/2/05 by The Godfather of Conspira]



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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I think the following things will happen in regards to the world power balance. Europe will stay about the same powerwise with the EU perhaps giving them more strength than before but individually they won't increase in power, probably even decrease. Brazil will gain more power and influence because of their reasonably large population and the fact that their country has many resources. Japan will stay about the same or maybe decline a little. China will increase it's power and may overtake the US in total GDP. India will also be on the rise but i don't think they are likely to overtake China or the US because their country doesn't have the geographical size or resources that China and the US have. Russia will also be powerful again but because of the loss of the soviet states and the smaller population and geographic size as a result of it they won't be as much of a power as they were in the past. This is what it looks like now in terms of GDP, population and geographic size.

GDP

en.wikipedia.org...

Population

en.wikipedia.org...

Geographic size (bigger area doesn't always mean more resoruces but more often than not it does)

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 22-2-2005 by Trent]



posted on Feb, 22 2005 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
OK, LISTEN UP!

This thread is obviously just a topic for racist idiots who like to argue to vent some steam!

I'm sick of ignorance, I'm sick of stupidity, I'm sick of people, especially Americans."


I am so glad you love America to!



posted on Feb, 27 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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I don't think you can use Europe and powerful in the same sentence these days. As an American, I see Europe as the bad roomate who sleeps on the couch all day, refusing to get a job. Not only do they not clean up after themselves, they smell bad and haven't done the dishes in weeks.

Oh yeah,
they haven't paid rent yet this month



posted on Feb, 27 2005 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
This thread is obviously just a topic for racist idiots who like to argue to vent some steam!

I'm sick of stupid Americans who don't know the difference between patriotism and jingoism and who think flag waving should be an Olympic event. I'm sick of Americans who cry that people hate them or are jealous of them or who are anti them because someone dares to point out that the America they've been programmed to believe in from birth bears no relation to the one that exists in real life.

I'm sick of ignorance, I'm sick of stupidity, I'm sick of people, especially Americans."


Of course we feel like we have to be the world police. It has become clear that Europens are too gutless to deal with the real problems in the world. We can't expect a bunch of former world powers to play mommy with the idots in the middle east.

[edit on 2-27-2005 by ProudAmerican]



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by motherbucker34
I don't think you can use Europe and powerful in the same sentence these days. As an American, I see Europe as the bad roomate who sleeps on the couch all day, refusing to get a job. Not only do they not clean up after themselves, they smell bad and haven't done the dishes in weeks.

Oh yeah,
they haven't paid rent yet this month

Funny last time I checked we (the UK) where helping america and where powerful since we have a strong military, (note not big but still strong)
Or what aboutt these guys?
They arent helping the US or the world at all in iraq?

Note I picked this picture since it didnt involve pyrotechnics or death....
Thanks for the support from the US yet again



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by motherbucker34
Of course we feel like we have to be the world police. It has become clear that Europens are too gutless to deal with the real problems in the world.

Mabye we dont actually get involved because we are not supposed to.
Do the iraqi's want you there?
Do the iranians want you there?
Or how about the syrians?
Last time I checked we thats right the people of europe went into korea with the US (mabye not as much as the US but the fact remains our service men died fighting with yours) Also last time I checked the UK has went with the US into nearly every fight its been in, dont call us gutless! I may not have the guts to go and fight but I sure as hell wont see you curse our service men or any other service men who die in war.



We can't expect a bunch of former world powers to play mommy with the idots in the middle east.
[edit on 2-27-2005 by ProudAmerican]

Like the US isnt an idiot?
The middle easst is another world, they think of you as idiots most us do to.
Doesnt that say something?
No, ofcourse not we surely the US gov cant be held reposnesible for something it done.

I am not against americans , they are nice people.
Its the policy the US gov and the rare few who are ignorant enough to take the propaganda by ANY government at face value.



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 07:30 AM
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The french are busy eating crepes and snails and the germans cant get over sauerkrau

I just had to remind everyone of the racist ignorant pig who started this whole debacle



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by motherbucker34
I don't think you can use Europe and powerful in the same sentence these days. As an American, I see Europe as the bad roomate who sleeps on the couch all day, refusing to get a job. Not only do they not clean up after themselves, they smell bad and haven't done the dishes in weeks.

Oh yeah,
they haven't paid rent yet this month


I more likely would say US is the one who is unemploy and suffering from mental problems and start to wreckage the place and pointing finger at others. Same time Europe is out on work and enjoying life.



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 08:46 AM
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This is probably the most laughable dumb series of comments I've seen trolled here (note the reg date) in a while.


Originally posted by motherbucker34
I don't think you can use Europe and powerful in the same sentence these days.


- S'funny cos you guys spend a hell of a lot of time talking and bitching about it.


As an American, I see Europe as the bad roomate who sleeps on the couch all day, refusing to get a job.


- We love it!
Too bad if you don't.

We Europeans work just fine, in the main we're perfectly happy with our standard of living and could care less what you guys think about our affairs.

Does it upset you that we find your claims that we 'must' be 'jealous' utterly risible?


Not only do they not clean up after themselves, they smell bad and haven't done the dishes in weeks.


- Make your mind up, eh?
One minute it's we don't work or tidy up our own affairs and the next it's 'boo hoo hoo' about the EU, Airbus, a European Rapid Reaction Force and all the other successful stuff we do.

......and be honest, a ton of this is deep resentment and disappointment that no-one, and certainly not Europe, is playing the war-perv game anymore isn't it?

But you go right ahead pumping money like it's going out of fashion to your war-industry outspending almost the entire world (combined) on 'defense', enjoy.



Oh yeah, they haven't paid rent yet this month


- We owe you guys nothing. You already made plenty out of us.

BTW, I'd take a little look at how much of America you guys actually own if I was you before making such dumb comments.
How much of 'America' is actually owned by non-Americans these days, hmmm?

[edit on 28-2-2005 by sminkeypinkey]



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 08:51 AM
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sminkey they come up with some great lines don't they!!!



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by drfunk
sminkey they come up with some great lines don't they!!!


- It certainly makes me laugh Dr.



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 02:04 PM
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Hi all, i'll introduce myself... I'm a 21 years old french guy and i found this forum searching data about US secret services. I'm sorry if my english is bad, i'll do my best, but i'm quite lost here.

This topic is interresting but i red first pages only. I'd like to share my european citizen point of view about our military power, excluding any political parameters.

First, we must remember that Europe has a long history and his "social roots" come from Roman Empire, annexing tribes and realms around them with a genuis and simple method called Pax Romana (roman peace), this was about to say to "savages" : "Be free but under roman senate control and protection or die". This concept was backed up by roman legions, most powerful and developped army corps of Antiquity.

This concept of war lasted all around in Europe till beginning of WWII. Charlemagne (one of the firsts French kings) and Napoleon de Bonaparte used this "pax romana" method to conquer most part of Europe, from Spain to Russia, but Hitler's Blitzkrieg and systematic destruction put an end to the choice of peace, proposed formerly to invaded nations.

The most important part of European warfare is diplomacy. During centuries and centuries, our countries used negotiation to get what they wanted (for example, the Pope decided to give South America to Spain and Asia to Portugal). Of course, diplomacy was a way to excuse violence, wars, genocides, robbery, rape et c, but after WW2, we kept using this. The most revealing example is the end of our colonial empire, an useless and hughe bloodbath becaused of "white governments pride".

Well, all this to explain that today, French, German and European Union strategy is based on DIPLOMACY. I don"t say it's a good way, i don't give any opinion, but it's a fact. About our military power, of course we are weak compared to US forces and intelligence services, but there are things making the difference (at least about France) :

- French army has a long and hard experience (Algeria, Indochina, black Africa colonies, Napoleonian wars, WW1 and WW2, Liban, Ivory Coast -not sure of translation- Balkans conflicts, American independance war with La Fayette's troops et c).

- French Republic has olds and strongs links with several countries all over the world, born of centuries of trading, sharing, wars then peace treaty, colonisation et c.

- French secret services use "sleeping browsing" instead of US method : to pick up actively information. Thoses two ways are good, but the French one has an advantage on the US one. People who give information come generally as volunteers, because France is "loved", not feared.

- French Air Force and Navy are weak, but Army has a wonderful "Joker", it's Colonial Troops (Marine Infantry, Marine Paratroopers, and most of all Foreign Legion). These troops are trainned to shoot, but more than anything, they're trainned to be loved by people. This is why civilian people wants to help them, even more than they help other soldiers and secret service.

Well... i hope i was clear, i don't say my army is the best or US are lamers, not at all, i just show you that, where US forces need 10 divisions to keep a country safe, French forces need only 10 companies.



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 06:47 PM
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Well I have to comment on one specific thing here, when Europe is used as a generality, the UK shouldn't be used or thought of in the same light. The Brits are willing to fight and not babble with hopeless diplomacy. They have learned the Chamberlain lesson well...I appreciate the help we have received from them and it is and will be remembered, but the others well.........I guess you know the answer to the "old" Europe. New free nations such as Poland are willing to do the right thing and take a risk...



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by edsinger
Well I have to comment on one specific thing here, when Europe is used as a generality, the UK shouldn't be used or thought of in the same light. The Brits are willing to fight and not babble with hopeless diplomacy.

NO!
Sorry ed but no, you cant just cut and pick out specific bits of a continent that you may or may not like.
Diplomacy is not hopeless!
As soon as you think that you have signed yourself to the path of death....


They have learned the Chamberlain lesson well...I appreciate the help we have received from them and it is and will be remembered,

So has the rest of europe, we just have a stronger relationship with the US and are still trying to stop the mess we created...and hopefully stop another being made....




but the others well.........I guess you know the answer to the "old" Europe. New free nations such as Poland are willing to do the right thing and take a risk...

They have been with you , name a place and european blood will be there along with american blood.
The sense the older nations of europe have is excellent, they have not been attacked nor intimidated by any country.
They stay where they want and are happy, they dont want to go forth and "free" the world.
They want to defend thier own land and thier allies/friends,yes they have allies long enough to call friends.



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 07:11 PM
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OK yeah maybe is going through a bad time, but so hasn't every other country. Some bad things that have happened in other countouries.
France had the reign of terror where every person having to do with the previous government was executed
During WW2 Polish military men escaping from Germans and Russians formed POlish Brigades in the British Army. It was soon realized over 5,000 POlish Officers and SOldiers were missing. Later it was found that the Russians had executed all of them.
The british also went on a world conquering escapade except this was for several hundred years. IM sure the native peoples wanted trhem there.
THere ethinic cleansing in Bosnia.
The holocaust of WW2
The countless genocides in Africa
You could name them forever. Point being lots of these posts seem like The US war on terror, (which i think had justification in 9/11, but got out of hand), is the worst thing ever.



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp

The sense the older nations of europe have is excellent, they have not been attacked nor intimidated by any country.They stay where they want and are happy, they dont want to go forth and "free" the world.They want to defend thier own land and thier allies/friends,yes they have allies long enough to call friends.


And you think you have had 50 years of relative peace because of what?



posted on Feb, 28 2005 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by edsinger
And you think you have had 50 years of relative peace because of what?

Because of diplomacy and working together against an enemy although not loseing men and women in the field against this enemy.
Look at what happened after WW2, the whole of europe (or the free part) was up in arms together and supporting each other , with american help , which is another thing since most of europe liked america then and we both got along fine.



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