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posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 12:52 AM
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I think no two fields of Human motivational inquiry differ more and create more complexity than science and art.

I'm a big reader into the former, and through psychoanalysis and philosophy, I often encounter a different world, inhabited by different minds, motivated in different ways i.e. contemporary art.

Where is Coherency?



Where do we look to find coherency? To the life we live? To the world we come from? Or to the species to which we belong?

In a certain very real sense, the dichotomy we see today within the United States - as well as our world - could be said to be reducible to those who subscribe to different ontological realities, which could perhaps be contained in Nietzsches own preferred images, Dionysus (unbridled feeling) and Apollo (mind/reason).

To be completely fair to art - art is transcultural and essential the Human condition, so I'd like to make clear here that my criticism of art is specifically aimed at a line of thought that was popularized among the Greeks. This idea can actually be found in the works of the philosopher Michael Seres - and his own trilogy of books, Rome, Statues, and Geometry - the three pillars of the western worlds epistemological dogma.

This idea of art has something intrinsically contemptible, although it hides itself so well in the flamboyancy of its emotion. In the works of the psychoanalyst Jaques Lacan - who I consider to hold a sort of gnosticiesque view of the mind - the world of reality is said to be the "symbolic order", at the center of which lies a hole - an absence, an inchoate, desubstantiated nothingness. Lacanian psychoanalysis is not really about resolution, as much as it about creating 'art' between analyst and patient, at least as seen by the analyst.

The aim of the method, as the psychoanalyst Jade McGleughlin poignantly shows in a vignette with a patient of hers - a woman she doesn't name, but who insists on being called Martin with an (a). This strange sort of approach - indeed, the patient here is said to be a 'shrink' (psychiatrist) - leads to McGleughlin to ask more, to wonder why she wants to do this. The woman replies that she doesn't want this be about gender. She's an intellectual - and thinks in rather sideways (or schizophrenic) sort of ways. Anyways, as the vignette progresses, McGleughlin describes a woman who seems eager - and desperate - to avoid real reflection on the probable cause of her sense of "being the negative" i.e. in the "liminal" - between life and death. At one one point, she comes to a profound insight into Martin with an (a)'s fear:

“My reflection threatens her, as if I had erased something in my seeing and in establishing a thing to be seen. To “see” something definable, or any reflection that attempts to understand her experience, is to NOT understand the erasure within her. Before Martin with an (a) had a name, she could not bear my naming “her” or “her” experience. Martin with an (a) wants an analyst who knows how to unname – to be with her both in and outside her experience of a present absence…She will teach me that naming trauma as a “what”, as something that can be represented, is a betrayal. Trauma does not reside in events but in the “breach in the minds experience”…And it also true that attunement betrays the profound singularity built into the experience of trauma.”

She sees into her, but Martin with an (a) does not want to be seen - despite her conscious desire to be in analysis (psychotherapy is often thought of as "lesser than analysis" by Lacanian and many Freudian analysts) she's afraid - unable to metabolize - what she cannot formulate. Growing as a self is not something that happens in an instant, nor can it be something one consciously "aims" to do. A mind borne in trauma discovers meaning in the gaps - in the spaces between selves - and so the generated meaning often skirts the format of history - and flies towards the spectacular, mythological, and unreal.

Martin with an (a) cannot coherently reflect on her motivations, and so she doesn't find meaning in the historical cause for their existence: the psyche is emptied of all dynamical, motivational or system-like property pushing or pulling the movements of perception, thought and action. Instead, things-which-are-thought are ascribed an ontological, a priori status - something certain to annoy people with an Aristolean standard for truth - and so the realities - and meanings - underlying the complex mind of Martin with an (a) remain hidden, deeply entangled, and knotted.

Of course - the problem is what trauma does: it exposes you to absence, the deadness, the unfeeling. Militant cultures are thus bound to be perforated, holed, and making meaning in the gaps. If reason and science truly trumps this sort of philosophy of art, then the characterization of reality, as, for example, in the dionysian or bacchic rites, can be seen to be a function of two fundamental principles that determine our reality. These two principles I will name cause and effect, and the existential sense of enlivenment. The Greeks - like the Persian, Babylonians, and Egyptians, before them - were ruled - like all Humans are ruled - by the existential needs of the moment. Enlivenment - the moment to moment consciousness we have of our embodiment, our feelings, our driftiness into reveries, into negative or positive ideation, etc - this is an experience of being a Self, and being driven by this sense of neediness to live and be as a Human in my particular context, in terms of the feelings I feel and which I feel little power over.

“When traumas breach is experienced alone, when the wounding of catastrophe is constituted in isolation, any attempt to move that experience into intersubjective space betrays the experience of having been isolated. Intersubjectivity, then, was not only initially difficult, but also, paradoxically, another betrayal

Trauma - especially trauma perpetuated by another Human - not only has its existential effects on self - by positioning it within a feeling world too "removed" - like a turtle pulled up inside its shell - to dare again enter normal Human relationship. Indeed - the concept of the relationship, and of history, is a curiously Jewish theme, later taken up by Christianity and Islam, which, in terms of the ontology of the way things actually work (if you subscribe, as I and most people do, to objectively accessible facts as having an epistemological superiority to mere subjective feeling) seems to have been a favorable progression for Human beings - inasmuch as we began to historically position ourselves - and not simply imagine our beings in terms of fantastical projections from an unmetabolized collective unconscious.

“When the victim is the child and the abuser is a parent or caregiver on whom the child is totally dependent, the childs maturational needs for attachment and for the development of a coherent sense of self, unrecognized and unmet by the abuser, come to be experienced as unacceptable. As these unmet come become ever more infected with continuing abuse and entwined with the wishes and fantasies of the childs evolving sexuality and aggression, the child’s experience of him or herself inevitably becomes infused with abusing and sadomasochistic characteristics.”

edit on 24-1-2017 by Astrocyte because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 05:01 AM
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Pity it is such a long op, there is a lot of good info in that

Parents, love your children unconditionally, guide them with love and affection.
Don't get angry, realise they are children
They will then grow up healthy psychologically

But as for art, I find expression in sports, my art form
That's contemporary and instant



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 06:49 AM
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I'm a painter, and I also draw, I find science and technology very interesting too as well as language and religion. The concurrent theme between all of those things to me is, it is all about discovery.

To me its all about that. Good read OP SnF



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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Apologies for the length of the video. I thought there might be some relevant insight in there somewhere.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: Astrocyte

I always felt science and art were intermingled in the sense of one trying to articulate the intangible or find truth and/or value in the intangible. Now those creative actions may very well include any one thing or every thing you mention in your psychological evaluation of coherency for one has to make sense of their existence or chase the thrill.




I do not think there is any thrill that can go through the human heart like that felt by the inventor as he sees some creation of the brain unfolding to success... such emotions make a man forget food, sleep, friends, love, everything.

Nikola Tesla



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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I do not think there is any thrill that can go through the human heart like that felt by the inventor as he sees some creation of the brain unfolding to success... such emotions make a man forget food, sleep, friends, love, everything.

Nikola Tesla



Now that's a quote worthy for a signature.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: Astrocyte

A brilliant read! Thank you for sharing your inner thoughts on this.

Science is an Art

And Art is a Science.




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