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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: SaturnFX
This brings up a desire that I've expressed many times in this forum. If the LEADER(s) of a nation is the problem, take out the LEADER(s). Avoid thousands, or millions of casualties.
Surely USA covert technology and techniques have advanced to the point where we could do this, and make it seem like "natural causes", or a coupe, or some fanatical group was responsible. Trillions of dollars have been invested in our intelligence complexes since WWII.
originally posted by: St Udio
tell you what....
the Chinese built the Spratly Islands
I back Trump on most other things but not trying to take their defense platforms against their will....
I don't think the idea of stopping China from 'taking' the islands holds water
originally posted by: Slickinfinity
I'm under the impression that the American navy would sink all Chinese warships with little to no effort because the Chinese are 25 years behind and have one crappy carrier?
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: muSSang
originally posted by: SaturnFX
originally posted by: TrueAmerican
a reply to: SaturnFX
I'd say the chances of us going to war with China at this point far exceed those of going to war with Russia. Notice. I said: "At THIS point". Meaning, with Trump in office.
Another interesting scenario. China and Russia have been working on an alliance.
The (conspiracy?) theory is that Russia has been trying to weaken for many years/decades now the US strength as the worlds main (only) superpower. a Trump presidency seems aimed at alienating our bank and manufacturing base..this would nuke our economy while not really touching China or Russias economy. we wouldn't be strong enough to patrol the east (especially now that our former long term ally, Philippines, is also moving towards Russia and China).
If I wanted to be all conspiratorial, I would say this is the long game being set in motion. Russia/China rises as America becomes contained.
The only problem with your scenario is that Trump Will and IS strengthening the economy and military!
Military...so? China doesn't need to fire a single shot to cripple the US. They have their fingers deep in the entire economic structure here.
As far as economics..well that remains to be seen, but also given China has deep ties into the economy..that is literally their weapon of Trump gets too high on the hyperbole. If China decides to simply take a loss in regards to their vested interest in the US economy..we are in a lot of trouble.
Stop waving the flag for a bit and note what is going on here.
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Slickinfinity
The Chinese have very good ground based anti ship missiles our boats would never get close. No naval combat would happen.
originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: TrueAmerican
I think Trump is teasing China, either that or we will be entering a cold war with them.
A full blown war, no is not going to happen.
Washington's increasing demands of Australia inadvertently spilled out into the open earlier this month when assistant defence secretary David Shear, an Asia expert and mandarin speaker who is new to the defence portfolio, appeared before the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee. During his testimony, he said extra air force assets including B-1 bombers and surveillance aircraft would be "placed" in Australia as a countermeasure to "China's destabilising effect" on the region. The denials from Canberra and the Pentagon were immediate with statements released insisting Shear had "misspoken." However, many analysts believe he didn't "misspeak," he just spoke too soon.
Using speculation as a psychological weapon and market manipulation, the US launched a financial strike against the Chinese. This was done through an attempt to sink or crash the Chinese stock market and hurt investor confidence in the Chinese economy and its stocks. Beijing, however, reacted quickly by imposing controls on investment withdrawals. This prevented the snowballing of stock selloffs and defused the US financial bomb. As the value of the renminbi began to rise Beijing began quantitative easing to devalue its national currency as a means of continuing export trade. The US Congress and White House began to loudly object. They accused the Chinese of financial manipulation and demanded that Beijing do nothing to readjust the value of the renminbi.
What the folks in the Washington Beltway wanted was for the Chinese to let the value of the renminbi rise as a means of disrupting China’s economy and market. The Chinese Dragon Strikes Back: Beijing Liquidates its US Bonds Push China and it will push back. The buck (or, more properly, renminbi/yuan) did not stop with the introduction of regulations by Beijing. China took steps that shocked Wall Street and put Washington on notice.
As US financial institutions began trying to hurt investor confidence in China through psychological tactics claiming that the Chinese economy was slowing down and that the Chinese market was in freefall, Beijing announced that it had bought 600 tons of gold in the span of a month and the People’s Bank of China had got rid of over 17 billion US dollars from its foreign exchange reserves. China’s foreign exchange reserves — excluding the foreign reserves of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and the Macau Special Administrative Region — were 3.71 trillion (37,111,430 million) US dollars in May 2015. They had dropped to 3.69 trillion (36,938,380 million) US dollars by June 2015.