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Please Absolve Me of Ignorance-Planned Parentood

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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:15 PM
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I am pretty much of the opinion that evangelicals suck.
ETA: Ny mother and their father had been together for 31 years.


I can understand why.

I took care of my dad till he passed and the wife and I now take care of my mother.

I can relate but if what you speak of the kids is true...then not very Christian like in action

edit on 23-1-2017 by edsinger because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: BubbaJoe
No but apparently I did, I have raised my children, worked and paid taxes. I have also served my country, if you try to force your opinion down my throat, it don't count. We are both entitled to our opinions, but I personally think that yours blows goats.


Fair enough and I think yours selfish in some ways. How much of my check is enough? When will it stop?



originally posted by: BubbaJoeYou actually lost me at Kenyan Care, after that gloves are off.


Well I know it pisses the Tulipwalkers off, but in reality there is something fishy. Hillary brought it up and was slapped down for it.....Indonesian would also work. But suffice to say socialist with Muslim Brotherhood tendencies ok?


originally posted by: dawnstar
If I am reading your post right, I have to say....
You Lie!!!
hospitals cannot turn you away from EMERGENCY CARE....
and even then you will get a rather large bill for it...
so, no, thinking that the hospital er is a good replacement planned parenthood, or any other non-emergency treatment is lame!!


Dawnstar you are correct, EMERGENCY care and that is what I meant but did not fully express it. In California the illegals use the ER as a doctor..They never pay....those will insurance make up the difference.
If you got to a hospital, with no insurance the charge is far higher than with insurance. Ever wonder why?

As far as the sad stories, I have my own. I had to pay cash for my daughter to be born. $9,000 NO insurance. Sold my truck and spent years paying it off. My wife had a CATSCAN, $2500 No Insurance....took a while to pay that one too..

Problem is, if I had no job it would have been paid for by the state. If I was a different color, paid for by the state..

So on those matters I have just as much right to grip as both of you...

So I guess it is ok for my premiums to go up 300%, and my deductible to $4500 so everyone can have medical care. Well it didn't quite work they way they advertised did it.

I think you are right, for those with jobs, they should pay for those without?

How about this, put the damn country back to work and get people off the government tit and things will work themselves out. Kill the damn lawyers and the prices will drop.

Time for sleep as I have to work,......need to pay for some illegals medical care...



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
Margaret Sanger Founder of Planned Parenthood In Her Own Words


On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12
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On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:
In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107


THIS is what women were marching in support of.



If you wanna play the founders game, then you and I both are pro lying (look up how the Boston Tea Party really came about by Been Franklin lying to England!) And pro slavery. Or maybe we can agree that some things change over time.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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originally posted by: randomtangentsrme
a reply to: JinMI

My understanding is the services offered are vastly reduced in cost comparative to doctor visits without healthcare.


It seems their list of services is pretty small...



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: edsinger

originally posted by: buster2010

Women of all races goes to PP so whining eugenics is nonsense. It was in the very beginning but hasn't been for a very long time.


The poor go and that was exactly Sanger's goal.

Yes give care to those who couldn't afford it. Nice to see you finally understand something.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

They can afford it or get it free because of Title X. Local health departments also provide this.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 07:38 PM
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Senior Donald Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway said Sunday part of the new administration's plans for repealing and replacing Obamacare would include converting federal funds for Medicaid into block grants to states.

www.cnn.com...






In a contentious hearing before the Senate Finance Committee, Democratic Senator Robert Menendez pressed nominee Tom Price on whether changing Medicaid into a block grant program would mean fewer people would be eligible in the future.

Menendez noted Medicaid is currently an entitlement program, meaning anyone who meets the criteria has the right to be covered.

"When you move to a block grant, do you still have the right?" Menendez asked.

"No," Price said. "I think it would be determined by how that was set up."

money.cnn.com...


I bet those states that have fought the hardest against planned parenthood are also the ones that would be kicking the most people out of their new medicaid programs..
no, they don't want you getting an abortion, and they don't want to be paying for your birth control either... and of course, they don't want to be paying for that baby to be delivered either or have adequate healthcare through their childhood... oh, and oh, ya, don't you poor people venture out of your own states who've issued you the verification that you are eligible for their new program... because if you happen to get sick or hurt while outside of your state, more than likely, you on your own!!!



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Full disclosure, the first thought that came to mind was "boo-hoo so what." I've had to foot my own families medical bills for quite awhile now. The whole time insurance was "good" I did not have issues. Both children were covered for around 2k out of the 10k each cost. I'm not sure why it is the duty of others to provide free birth control or to birth/raise a child.

Now I realize that this is a very harsh and non empathetic thought to have. Help me see the gap or the demographic I am missing that can not utilize self control or that can not propel themselves to become employed and acquire health insurance.

Please, fill me in. I mean no snark or sarcasm. I'm not an a-hole, it just seems I'm missing something.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: edsinger
The poor go and that was exactly Sanger's goal.



Yes give care to those who couldn't afford it. Nice to see you finally understand something.



Of course, she wanted them dead....specially those she considered subhuman. My goodness the people who take up for that evil woman.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
I'm not sure why it is the duty of others to provide free birth control or to birth/raise a child.

Now I realize that this is a very harsh and non empathetic thought to have. Help me see the gap or the demographic I am missing that can not utilize self control or that can not propel themselves to become employed and acquire health insurance.


I had to pay for mine. The reason I did not have more is that I could not afford anymore. When the time came that I could, it was no longer possible.

What ever happened to dealing with consequences of ones actions?

What happened to fathers in the black community?

Think about it. Should the tax payers be on the hook for continuous poor judgement?

When is 55% of my income enough? How much is enough to you people?



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 08:21 PM
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originally posted by: edsinger

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: edsinger
The poor go and that was exactly Sanger's goal.



Yes give care to those who couldn't afford it. Nice to see you finally understand something.



Of course, she wanted them dead....specially those she considered subhuman. My goodness the people who take up for that evil woman.


How do you propose she wanted to kill them? With birth control?



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

believe me I could be less empathic than you....

at least you could afford the healthcare you needed..
I worked for quite awhile after I was hurt at work, even fell down a few times just tryin to walk, and always limping, always in quite a bit of pain. I had racked up a nice sum of medical bills (even with insurance) before I quite and that day, and had just spend another nice sum for medication. which was too much, I didn't have any money for even the couple of dollars I spent every day at work, or the money for the gas... all in all, that was the end, I threw in the towel.. it just wasn't worth it. when I finally quite, my foreman said something like...
"I don't blame you, mind over matter can only work for so long" or something to that extents. this was during the bush presidency and he had cut the federal contribution to medicaid that was given to the states. my state and my country were hiking up the dmv fees, sales tax, whatever they could come up with, to make up the shortfall that bush and his war had left for them.... all to pay the medicaid!!! believe me, I was asking the same question you are...
only with one big twist... why should I have to pay all this extra tax, that is being used to pay for my neighbor to run her kid to the doctor every time she had a runny nose (I am not making this up, my neighbor actually did this, and she would also leave her windows wide open in the winter time... to air the place out... because after all, she didn't have to pay the bill!! the state congressman who called the surgeon after that foot was broken called me first. I explained my situation first and told him point blank... they were discriminating against me, taking money from my family, that we needed to pay our own healthcare, and still probably wouldn't had been enough... and giving it to another family..
it was like walking down the street and seeing to kids, one with an ice cream cone, the other without... and deciding that the one without it was more deserving and taking it from the other to give to them! only, they didn't have any right to decide who was deserving or who wasn't, did they?

so, these block grants, are the richer states gonna be paying taxes, of which some of it will be going to the poorer states, or will each grant consist of the taxmoney that was paid by it's own residents? and, I already know that some states would be trying to make that money serve as many people as possible while probably also be throwing more in while others would probably find a was to divert the money into their own pockets and those of their friends some way and not really caring about the poor's healthcare. so, to me, this plan, just like defunding planned parenthood is just going to put more people into that position where they are having funds that they need for their own families needs, be it food, or housing, or medical care, while that money will be used somewhere else for another family who the gov't finds more deserving quite possibly just to ease the mind of a worried parent with a runny nosed child!
obamacare seems to be designed to do the same thing, require everyone to have the insurance, but then that insurance comes with such a high deductable that between the insurance premiums and the deductables, it probably is eating up a good portion of your income, of which you need most of your income for other needs... so, well the deductible is never met so what good has the insurance done for you?? but what it has done was added into that insurance pool so that it can pay out on the healthcare of those that are making more than you and of course, your taxes are ensuring that those making less have the healthcare that they need.. you, you are just the sacrificial lamb found worthy of being sacrificed to keep the crappy healthcare system afloat!
if the gov't can't help all of those who need the help, then maybe they should pull the funds out of the healthcare industry altogether with a prayer that maybe it can balance itself out on it's own. I would be less objectionable about that than picking out groups or services that you feel worthy to be that sacrificial lamb!



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: windword

think maybe I will ask again... since no one seems to notice the first time..
during sanger's time anything related to birth control, was considered immoral and illegal here in the states. only those well to do could travel to europe where it was obtainable..
and that they did!! on their own, they weren't being forced..
so, were the rich practicing eugenics on themselves???



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

My daughter gave me an Amazon Prime membership for Christmas and I was able to binge watch Boardwalk Empire. They cover the birth control issue at the time very well! You should try to binge watch it, if you get a chance. Really heart wrenching what women went through in those days!



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: windword

Hehe, that comment makes it look as though you get your information from a television show.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 09:08 PM
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a reply to: windword

will see if I can find it. my son shared his account with me, but I just haven't got the hang of it..



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