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Dan Burisch, Time Travel, and the Mandela Affect

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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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Although I'm not a subscriber to the many-worlds interpretation, it has gained a lot of attention from scientists and the media recently, which has resulted in several ATS threads such as this one: Time travellers could use parallel dimensions to visit the past, scientists claim. Even if I don't believe these theories I think it's worth looking at them and not to totally discard them because they seem very outlandish, reality is often much stranger than we first assume.

A few months ago I created a thread about this topic in relation to John Titor, now I want to take a look at this topic with regards to Dan Burisch. If you don't know who that is, I suggest you go and watch his 2007 interview with Project Camelot. I first stumbled across Dan Burisch interview videos many years ago, probably close to a decade ago. As with John Titor, his story involves parallel universes and time travel, and generally things that are hard to believe.

That is why myself and many others were very quick to dismiss Dan and assume he was making it all up. Considering current events however, I like to go back and take another look at people who were saying things which now seem to be unfolding or have some sort of scientific basis. That is why I went back and took a more serious look at the things said by Titor and the documents he produced. If this is all a hoax then it took a lot of energy for no clear reason.

From what I remember, Dan Burisch claimed to work under Majestic 12 in some fashion back when they existed. He claims that aliens are essentially just time traveling humans from different times in the future and different time lines. I re-watched some of the old Dan Burisch videos recently and several things stood out to me. Like Titor, he seems to have a rather elaborate knowledge of different scientific principles and he speaks with a lot of humility.

Unlike most of the so called whistle blowers I see doing interviews, I don't get any sense that he's trying to deceive viewers or push his own personal beliefs. Also, he seems to have disappeared into obscurity after releasing the information he wanted to release, without trying to milk a profit from it, just like Titor. Not to mention, everything Dan says essentially backs up what Titor said about parallel dimensions and time travel.

If I recall correctly, Dan claims that MJ12 ordered him to do those interviews and release that information. He talks about things such as star gates and a related device he called the "looking glass". This device essentially allows the user to look at different possible future time lines and determine how likely each outcome is to occur. The star gates are apparently based on similar technology, but lets you travel into the dimension observed through the portal.

He talks about all sorts of crazy stuff which results from the use of this technology, such as interaction with future humans which travel through the star gates. He speaks about two primary time lines, one where a major event almost destroys our species, and one where things turn out a bit better. One subject Dan talked about which I found really interesting was how they used the looking glass to see what the major event was and how it could be avoided.

Apparently what they discovered is that excessive use of the technology would cause some sort of energy build up which would eventually become unstable and cause some sort of massive disaster. He claims that roughly between 1980 and 2016 our solar system will be in a position which allows the disaster to occur. I can't really remember the exact details, but the basic idea was that using the technology during that period would lead to a mass extinction event.

As a result Dan claims all technology related to time travel was decommissioned and treaties were put in place to ban its use. He claims the devices were taken apart and the pieces were put in the care of different organizations and super powers, so that no one group had all the pieces. However he also says there's a very good chance the devices will be put back together once we pass out of the danger zone. Here's some dialog from part 4 of his interview:


Dan: As of about 2017 I would expect that all of these little pieces of equipment will probably get reassembled.
Kerry: Turned back on?
Dan: Oh sure.
Kerry: 2017, that's quite a while?
Dan: 2016 - 2017
Kerry: Not until then?
Dan: Probably not.
-- skipping forward slightly --
Kerry: What we're looking at is a very low probability of the event or the set of events occurring at this point?
Dan: Yes. We're looking at a low probability of the higher catastrophic portion of the events occurring.


Assuming what Dan says is true, we obviously have avoided the catastrophic event and we've entered into the time line which doesn't have that mass extinction event in its history. Dan claims to have interacted with humans from a future where the event did occur and was recorded in their history, which was another reason for them to take the threat seriously and decommission the technology. But will they now turn it back on if they feel it's safe to do?

Dan claims that the risk should be low any time after 2012, but he says they'll be conservative and wait until at least 2016 to turn it back on to make sure the "cycle of danger" has fully passed. Knowing how seductive this technology would be, I'd say they probably put the pieces back together a couple of years ago. If they are actively using time travel technology it could also be related to the Mandela Effect and the apparent changes in our history.

The effect really seems to have exploded in the last few years, some of them even affect me personally so I cannot totally dismiss the possibility. I cannot fully buy into these theories but I do find it odd that these old conspiracy theories about time travel seem to be converging on one basic idea which is: other time lines do exist and there's a way to travel between them. The fact that science says it could be possible makes it even more intriguing.

There aren't many interpretations for quantum mechanics, there's basically only two which hold any real weight, so there's almost a 50/50 chance the many-worlds interpretation or some variant of it is the correct interpretation. That still leaves us with many unanswered questions though, such as how many time lines exist, do they ever merge or get destroyed, is there an end to time, did us avoiding the catastrophe mean it still happened on another time line?
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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Looking at Titor's predictions about a Civil War and WW3 ending in 2015, I'm not as intrigued as I once was. What do you think OP?



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: FamCore

Well if Titor and time travel is real, maybe the predictions he made were averted/delayed somehow by another traveler?
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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Looking at Titor's predictions about a Civil War and WW3 ending in 2015, I'm not as intrigued as I once was. What do you think OP?

Well I already commented on that in my Titor thread:


One of the first things I noticed is that he talks about problems with the elections in 2004, which sparks a civil war and eventually leads to a nuclear war in 2015. Now obviously none of that has happened in this reality, but we are now coming up to an election which seems like it could have the potential to spark a civil war. Also keep in mind that Titor himself stated this time line was not exactly like his own, it varied by up to a few percent, and that just by being here he had changed things.

I think we had to avoid that war after John Titor appeared in our time line because imagine if all his predictions actually turned out to be true... people would know he actually did travel here from a different time. That would mean any secret plans by GE and CERN to develop a time machine would be exposed. Assuming Titor was legit, the people behind the development of time travel would have recognized that his science was valid and from that point on do everything in their power to avoid the war he predicted.


EDIT: you also have to remember the effects will compound over time in a snowball effect, or like the butterfly effect. It was around 2001 that Titor appeared so we've had a lot of time for the changes to build up and result in a time line vastly different from the one Titor came from, which was already slightly different from his own when he got here.
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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Good point - that could make sense.

Just perusing the Wikipedia page on Titor, it also says there were a few other contradictions in some of Titor's claims - this I suppose could also be attributed to changes from other travelers, or perhaps a "fake" John Titor copycat put out false info.




...he stated that he hid himself during the civil war in the US, while also stating in other instances that he fought in the war. In some posts, he claims that money is widely used and people still have credit cards, despite his statement that centralized banking no longer exists (this is either an inconsistency or implies the rise of private currencies).


Wiki



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Thanks for taking the time to reply - stargates, "looking glasses" and time travel - it's almost like we've got the old ATS back! S & F for this one



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 09:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure the John Titor thing has been exposed as a hoax. It was done by some brothers. Regardless, it was a very fascinating story and one I would love to believe.

For some reason I am drawing a blank on who this Dan guy is. I'm sure I've read before but he is not ringing a bell so I'm intrigued. This whole time line stuff is so mind boggling and #ing fascinating. Even watching a movie like Interstellar, it was just hard for my brain to comprehend what exactly was going on. Love this stuff just not sure my brain is ready lol.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Looking at Titor's predictions about a Civil War and WW3 ending in 2015, I'm not as intrigued as I once was. What do you think OP?


I understand your position.

But I'm open to the possibility that he got the "event" right but other random things that happened along the way may have changed the date.

And if we're talking about the potential for civil war, I'd say the time has never been more ripe for that to happen - especially if the "bad" divisive events we have been witnessing, begin to snowball & escalate - for whatever reason.

I'll keep my powder dry on this one and just pay a little closer attention to events and the general "gestalt" of how people are feeling and acting towards each other over the course of Trump's first year in office.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Thanks for taking the time to reply - stargates, "looking glasses" and time travel - it's almost like we've got the old ATS back! S & F for this one


I always thought ATS should create another "tab" for just political stuff. This site has been terribly over ran by this bull# for probably well over a year now. I don't mind the occasional political topic but when you come on here and thats it! I pretty much skim and leave. But I am always pumped to see threads like this!



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: FamCore

I don't know how much I'd trust Wikipedia on this subject, especially since there are so many supposed sources for what Titor wrote, some of which are clearly not even written by Titor. From what I've read I haven't seen him contradicting himself about fighting in the war but I may be wrong. The best way to know what he really said is to go back and read his original posts preserved by the Wayback Machine.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Good point - that could make sense.

Just perusing the Wikipedia page on Titor, it also says there were a few other contradictions in some of Titor's claims - this I suppose could also be attributed to changes from other travelers, or perhaps a "fake" John Titor copycat put out false info.




...he stated that he hid himself during the civil war in the US, while also stating in other instances that he fought in the war. In some posts, he claims that money is widely used and people still have credit cards, despite his statement that centralized banking no longer exists (this is either an inconsistency or implies the rise of private currencies).


Wiki



I, like you got discouraged when these predictions did not come true, (not that I wanted them too, I mean the credibility part) but the more I looked into it I figured maybe things are just delayed or changed or the right people up top read all of his stuff and they averted things maybe. It is all confusing but fascinating nonetheless.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 10:10 AM
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There is no way at all to prove his authenticity or not. He has a massive get out of jail card that he can use at any time.
Get him to prove history by him telling a future event. Ah but, he can then use his card to explain himself. Some of you are already assuming he's real and making excuses for his inaccuracies, or maybe lies.
Said event doesn't happen, card one:- another time traveler altered the event. Card two :- it happened in a parallel universe not this one.
Can you see where I am coming from? As once said "extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof" and the man has not come up with anything. He can make astounding claims but he's still got the excuses to excuse himself and his stories.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:13 AM
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You lost me with "Dan Burisch."
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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I missed the whole john titor thing, only saw it much later and I don't know it never really seemed like much.
I think the same with Dan.. That aside, it is kind of interesting. this might be psychological, but I've written about this all over ATS. it was around 2016 that for the first time in my life a giant weight had been lifted. It was around 2011 that things got really dark like we had gone through the wrong window, and things were going to end bad, and in late 2014 and through most of 2015, was the darkest hour for me.

Maybe that's personal to me, but I do notice my life fits into the time constraints of the supposed danger zone.
Have you guys even really seen any doom porn lately? It seems like it's off everyone's minds.

But I'm still calling meh probably bs on this one.


the only thing that gets me is I have so many mandela things and some of them really #ing bother me.

I had a cat. Most amazing being I've ever met, he's living somewhere probably with the exes parents I don't know.
We would buy tidycats kitty litter in those big buckets. Well one day I was changing the litter and I called in my gf at the time. Like pointing at the freaking bucket LOOK! and she thinks I'm being crazy.. "Why does it say tidycat? Tidycat? There's no way.. Has it always been tidycat? Maybe they changed it..

Ok that event came and went.. It was before I heard of mandela effect but not super long ago, 2013 maybe? So I'm on here and I go to this video of mandela effects (supposed ME) and I see that tidycats is changed, and I'm like oh I know that one now it's tidycat wtf?? But no.. NO it changed to tidycat and now it's back to tidycats...

I made a huge deal about it being tidycat and it beign wrong.. And now it's back? no way.. So I went to the store sure enough it's back to freaking tidycats..

Then I saw another video and tidycats was in that video and similar stories to mine some guy in the store ging why? is it tidycat it's always been tidycats.. Points it out to his girl friend, and then they take it out of their closet one day and it's tidycats again..



I'm at a loss I don't know what the heck is going on.. It's quite the Dilemna!!

One of my pet hypothesis:

2012 time wave zero really was true.. extreme novelty... So things get weirder and weirder here on out. I read that in mckenna's voice weirder and weirder.. LOL

Now I need a break.. give me a break? of that Kit-Kat bar??

The time travle hypothesis makes sense for the hype around 2012. Just in case we didn't avoid some bad disaster getting people to prep and be ready to bug out and the FEMA stuff all makes sense. Wouldn't surprise me if NASA was behind making elenin fit all those conspiracies or if they helped hype Nibiru..

But like I was saying around the beginning of 2016 I felt hopeful for the future for the first time.

Most of the "mandela effects" look like one off memories.. things easily confused. So I'm not really arguing for most of them, some are even easy to dismiss if you look harder.. Life IS still like a box of chocolates if you remember that his mom said that line not him. Stuff like that..

But tidycats... it changed I made a huge deal about it being wrong, and it changed back. So that one for me it just can't be a memory issue. And also Dilemna. see I used to spell dilemma wrong like this dilemma.. And my teachers would correct it every time, and my mom.. dilemna dilemNA.. MY mom even taught me to say words wrong if I kept having trouble spelling them.. So Like surprise.. I don't say it suprise I say SURprise. Well I still to this freaking day say dilemna.. with a silent N...

It doesn't make any sense.





posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: Reverbs


I think the same with Dan.. That aside, it is kind of interesting. this might be psychological, but I've written about this all over ATS. it was around 2016 that for the first time in my life a giant weight had been lifted.

I have to say I sort of get what you are saying, but I think it could also have a lot to do with the fact Hillary lost, haha.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 04:38 PM
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You lost me with "Dan Burisch."


Why is that? Is he a known hoaxer or something?

I have to admit, I've never heard of the man until today...



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: Reverbs


I have to say I sort of get what you are saying, but I think it could also have a lot to do with the fact Hillary lost, haha.


January 2016.

lol

And I was NOT excited about the prospects of the election either way.

I could maybe find my posts I said it throughout the year and my personal life went to # in the same time so it's not that..

who knows.

I do know I experience a lot of mandela effects, and I have a history of way way too many dejavus where I can predict the future as long as they last.. Almost wonder sometimes if I died, and just some error correcting code in the simulation kept me alive by changing the story a bit..




posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 05:03 PM
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Wasn't the Aviary responsible for the MAJ12 docs?

www.abovetopsecret.com...


If true, it'd mean any fairytale riding its coattails would be equally bogus.

And wasn't the author of the Titor story also identified? Morey Haber
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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 05:06 PM
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This Dan fella is who led me to ATS over 9 years ago now, soon did i realise he was a BS artist.

Why are we giving this knob from Project Camelot the time of day ?



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: Riffrafter
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You lost me with "Dan Burisch."


Why is that? Is he a known hoaxer or something?

There are probably two main reasons. First is that there's no record of the PHD he claims to have, the university he claims to have earned his doctorate at says there's no record of him. I believe he goes into some detail on this subject in the Project Camelot interview. I cannot really remember what he said but he claims his records were erased, I think it was after he retired from MJ12 it was on the condition they expunge his record. The second reason is probably because Bob Lazar said he's a fraud. I believe Bob Lazar is another one of these supposed whistle blowers who talked about working on secret UFO projects, I cannot really remember what claims he made, I never really payed much attention to him.
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