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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn


"By idiocracy I am talking about the followers of fake news, the racists, the fake christians, the mis-informed, the sexist, the intolerance of gays, trans, other religions. If just one of these describe you...you are in this group." - veracity

It is not what you said "trying to blame the election for the destruction of the American family"

Please don't misuse the word just as Don and his lil trumpets misuse "fake news". Its annoying what you guys do, idiotic...idiocracy

That may be what you mean when you use the word, your interpretation has nothing to do with how I used the word.

I used the word as a comparison to the society portrayed in the movie by the same name. "A dystopian society where advertising, commercialism, and cultural anti-intellectualism have run rampant, and is devoid of intellectual curiosity, social responsibility, and coherent notions of justice and human rights."




posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn


"By idiocracy I am talking about the followers of fake news, the racists, the fake christians, the mis-informed, the sexist, the intolerance of gays, trans, other religions. If just one of these describe you...you are in this group." - veracity

It is not what you said "trying to blame the election for the destruction of the American family"

Please don't misuse the word just as Don and his lil trumpets misuse "fake news". Its annoying what you guys do, idiotic...idiocracy

That may be what you mean when you use the word, your interpretation has nothing to do with how I used the word.

I used the word as a comparison to the society portrayed in the movie by the same name. "A dystopian society where advertising, commercialism, and cultural anti-intellectualism have run rampant, and is devoid of intellectual curiosity, social responsibility, and coherent notions of justice and human rights."


Yes, that is correct, however the way you used it was not; a division of families bc of politics is NOT idiocracy, in an idiocracy...they probably don't even have the brains to care about politics.
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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: conspiracytheoristIAM

originally posted by: veracity
Are we really a divided country? After seeing the numbers of the march yesterday, even in my own small city, it gives me a new outlook on being a divided country.

Isn't it obvious that the division is between the people who want an equal, progressive America and the idiocracy who does not?

By idiocracy I am talking about the followers of fake news, the racists, the fake christians, the mis-informed, the sexist, the intolerance of gays, trans, other religions. If just one of these describe you...you are in this group.

This miserable group divided itself out of America.

America is VERY united.





Got it....as long as you're a progressive liberal, you do not reside in the deplorable basket . As far as fake news goes....remember the 18 months prior to the election, when almost all news sources touted Hillary's lead in the polls and almost all the pundits gleefully announced Trump did not have a chance to win. How can you swallow that without retching on your not denying ignorance ?

Errr she was leading in the polls, right up the point of the last FBI report that said they uncovered something new, folks threw their hands up and quit, she was never popular to begin with and neither is he.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Boadicea

I will say again, it takes time to be empathetic to someone who has thier rights trampled on, in the case of bakeries, trampled on by fake christians.


There is a huge difference between empathy and tyranny. Empathy, by definition, is reciprocal:

the capacity to understand or feel what another person is experiencing from within the other being's frame of reference, i.e., the capacity to place oneself in another's position
... If one cannot respect -- or have empathy -- for another's right to freedom of conscience, then the only empathy one can expect is the same lack of respect -- or empathy -- for your own freedom of conscience (or any other rights).

So you make my point for me. If you have no respect or empathy for those "fake Christians," then the only empathy you can expect is that same lack of respect and empathy from those "fake Christians."

We both want gays to have their wedding cake; the only difference between your position and mine is that you will use the barrel of a gun to get that cake, and I won't.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

there IS a huge difference between empathy and tyranny, but what you call "tyranny", i call "respect", sorry you lack it. And yes, I have NO empathy for bigots such as your fake christians.

Someone needs to teach them a lesson...Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Once they learn that lesson, maybe they wouldn't be so fake and can live in a nice, caring, loving world. Until then, NO empathy for them.

You need to understand that bigots do not deserve respect until they can learn to respect others. Just bc they do not get any empathy or respect does NOT give them the green light to be a# holes.

If you think that is how the world works, the you and your miserable fake christians can just divide yourselves out of the unified Americans, bc we do NOT want to be around you.


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posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: veracity

During the 2004 election, during my political awakening we all have, my father and I shared the exact same view of GWBush. While I would get severely frustrated, angered and mystified by the people who supported that guy, my father had more of a realistic point of view. and just shrugged them off like they didn't exist. Half the people out there will not agree with you. "Two things you do not debate with friends, politics and religion. A law he instilled in me always while growing up. "They won't understand where you're coming from, and you won't understand where they are coming from." (I was a Jewish kid living in suburban Central Florida... aka a flowing land of Christian churches. I had to learn to keep my mouth shut.)

"Two things to never debate with family and friends: politics and religion" and now that's all people want to talk about. and that's why society sucks.

Basically our government gave us two teams to become a part of. The Red Elephants vs. The Blue Donkeys. For some reason, so many people feel so desperate to be part of a team, and so need to have their thoughts validated, that they will ignore all of the bad parts of the party, and blindly follow whatever they are told to think and say. Unfortunately that is the majority of the American population, as seen on Facebook, and the free thinkers are left to our message boards.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: HerbertMountainDew


I have learned that you do not talk about politics and religion in the work place, that is all.

You should NOT keep your mouth shut if it is to protect the bigots and make their egos bigger. Let the fake christians know that they are wrong.

The political division is healthy, (although more political parties would be nice) its the division of forward thinking people vs. backward thinking people. the backwards thinking people (the ones you say are so desperate to be part of a team) typically are republicans, that is NOT to say republicans are bad.

We cannot go backwards...to segregation (gay and christian cake bakers for example), to coat hangars, to littering up the Earth. We cannot take one step back to come together with them. We DO need to voice out opinion, call them out, let them know that is not what Jesus would do. We cannot normalize this hate and idiocracy.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Yes, people are stupid... and all most people want to do is fight with other people because they subconsciously feel the need to prove to others that they are smart. For example: your hostile and aggressive response disregarding an issue that should be considered glaringly obvious as a dangerous nationwide problem. Yet ,you would rather concentrate on tired old Trump vs. Hillary. Red vs. Blue. Elephants vs. Donkeys. The well-coreographed reality show that even semi-intelligent people have fallen for.

If you took the time to do some google searches, you will find many, many, many forum questions with many, many. many responses from people who are dealing with this problem. I am not denying that in some instances the election merely put a magnifying glass on pre-existing fractured familial relations. But at the very least, the election still played a role in the divide.

But in many other cases, the election was a direct catalyst to the division of family members. If you think that it didn't, you have to stop paying so much attention to circus minstrel show and start thinking about the toxic effects to society that have spawned in a broader sense.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: HerbertMountainDew

What issue am I disregarding with hostility. I don't have any doubt families are broken up over politics, I've seen it first hand.

Ummm, what?

Oh, nvr mind, I thought you were responding to me

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posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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Dbl post..

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posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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Yep. Not to you. You seem to want to discuss, not just yell out a one-sided viewpoint and then call the other person stupid.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: veracity

Yeah, you are so right.

Someone needs to teach that Muslim running his grocery store that I expect to be able to buy bacon and a nice picnic roast when I go in there. I don't care how nasty it makes him feel (not to mention spiritually unclean to handle pork), he needs to do unto others and all that, so he needs to stock and serve me that pork dammit.

And when we get that taken care of, I also expect a decent wine section, too!



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I am sorry, I have no words in response to your clearly idiotic, nonsense blathering.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: veracity

"The political division is healthy, (although more political parties would be nice) its the division of forward thinking people vs. backward thinking people. the backwards thinking people (the ones you say are so desperate to be part of a team) typically are republicans."

I disagree. I don't see the sense in excessively arguing with someone whose core beliefs are different from mine. You can let it be known that you differ and briefly explain the reason why and leave it at that. But what does one accomplish by constantly arguing and name calling your family and "friends", whose mind will never be changed?

Also, while you think Republicans are backwards thinking, they think you are backwards thinking. There are definitely backwards people involved with backwards, politicians and civilians, but I think the same about some of what the Democratic party represents. I find faults in both parties, just as I have the ability to see the good in both as well. One definitely more than the other, but that doesn't support my bipartisan POV in this case. I am trying to keep a bi-partisen view while approaching politics from now on. see where it leads me. One thing I know we all agree on? Something is severely #ed up with what's happening out there. But that hasn't really changed much since 9/11 in my opinion.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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She dreams that women should have the same rights as guns


It seems pretty obvious to me, Trump's admin wants women to be very restricted on what they can do and probably will have next to no restrictions on guns.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: HerbertMountainDew
I think my message is getting lost, I do not believe republicans are bad, it's just the backwards thinkers (alt-right) that tend to vote republican.

I do not just start arguments from out of the blue. I never have confrontations actually unless on a message board. But if I ever heard someone yelling at a Muslim or making fun of a gay you better believe I would speak out against that. We cannot normalize bottom feeder attitude.

I'm not saying to just start a fight for no reason, I'm saying to not be afraid to hold hands with your same sex lover in public, don't be afraid of your Jewish heritage in the Bible Belt, don't be afraid to use the bathroom of the gender you identify with, and if anyone says anything about it...call them out. Tell them to mind their own business, to stop being judgmental, to quit being a bigot.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: ketsuko

I am sorry, I have no words in response to your clearly idiotic, nonsense blathering.



Of course you don't.

The problem with your interpretation of the Golden Rule is that you forget that it's a two-way street. You take the selfish interpretation of it. To you, do unto others means that you are only thinking about how you personally like to live and you view your treatment of people exactly through that lens. Do unto others is used to give you latitude to impose your ways and lifestyle on everyone around you.

Your thoughts are more in line with "others shall do unto you as you want" that's not how it works.

You should be thinking along the lines of how that person feels as much as how you feel. Does the gay person want a cake? Sure. Do the Christians want to live their faith. Also yes. Each party needs to understand and respect those realities. As much as the gay wants his cake, the baker wants to stay on the right side of the Lord. There is conflict there. There are ways to solve that so that each can get what he wants, but forcing the baker to comply or keeping the gay from having a cake is not the answer.

But this issue has been boiled down to precisely that binary.

Much like I can still have my bacon, wine and picnic roast but I might have to get them from a different grocer, the gay can still have his cake, even if it's not from that baker. And both the baker and the Muslim can continue to live their faith.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: veracity

There are definitely pockets of them throughout the States, but not anything of great worry. They're going through some kind of rebellious stage imo. Whiners Inc. The Great Undoing is upon us.

It won't last.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 06:31 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

U crazy boi



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: LuXTeN

Well, for 1. We have one as our president


2. He's trying to make us believe we are divided, were not. We just won't walk backwards to enable the idiocracy.

I wouldn't say we have nothing to worry about.



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