originally posted by: AMNicks
a reply to: namelesss
if one cannot answer that question exactly, then shouldn't the tie go to the runner?
Accept one can answer these questions!
The question to which I refer, is when, exactly, does the lump of cells become a legal person.
Some say after there is a brain.
Others say at conception.
Others say when it can survive on it's own if separated from the mother.
There are many Perspectives, and that is the point that if the 'line' is more of a vague 'window', then, again, shouldn't the tie go to the runner.
No abortions unless it is to save the life of the mother, or rape or similar...
Perhaps not even then?
See what I mean?
But I repeat, no matter what the law is, women who will get an abortion will do so, and it is an ethical society that would help make the process as
safe and painless as possible.
If a women has a gun and is going to shoot innocent people, YES we have the right to tell her what to do with her body (take finger off
That's why I mentioned that one has the 'right' to use deadly force to stop the fetus from harming the health of the woman; self defense.
But there are so many Perspectives...
You are completely correct, although making it completely unconditioned allows women to use this as birth control!
I find that a completely fallacious argument.
First, an abortion is an extremely traumatic experience, filled with pain and tears!
One NEVER forgets!
Second, there are no stats to support such an assertion.
Third, inexpensive birth control is so widely available, so accepted, that one is considered a 'freak' NOT to use birth control.
It can keep you from getting laid at all!
Not to mention the buffet of diseases...
And it's easy...
Nah, the only time that it's really used as 'birth-control' would be at the (rare) failure of a condom (for instance) or a pill, perhaps,
As a last ditch resort, rarely, perhaps.
Unless you consider the 'morning after pill' to be an 'abortion'.
Becoming completely disconnect with the idea that this is murder
Don't get all emotional on me.
'Murder' is a legal term, defined legally, by statute, clear for all to see.
It is rare that having an abortion can land you in torture/prison/is defined, legally, as murder.
I do understand that, in certain jurisdictions, harming a pregnant woman and causing an abortion can be prosecuted as 'murder'.
In other places, simple assault and battery, perhaps misdemeanor...
Extra rhetorical credit;
Would you like to guess which states would call the causing of the death of an unborn 'murder', and which states could care less? *__-
edit on 23-1-2017 by namelesss because: (no reason given)