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originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: xuenchen
My body, my choice.
So we should leave you to die in the streets if you make the choice to not be insured but then get sick?
Lots of people make bad choices, society is built on the idea that people can see wisdom in their bad choices and later change them though. With health you can't really do that.
originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: xuenchen
it will NOT be affordable without this mandate
Why are people ok with mandatory car insurance but not health insurance?
Why aren't people taking care of themselves?
the answer... Idiocracy
originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: veracity
Car insurance is not mandatory, because owning a car is not mandatory.
And as far as I know, the only car insurance that is mandatory in most states is liability.
That is because if you hit someone else, they want to make sure that the other person gets taken care of.
If you don't have optional comprehensive, then you are out of luck if you have an accident, and have to pay for it yourself.
So, you can't really compare it to health insurance.
originally posted by: xuenchen
originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: xuenchen
it will NOT be affordable without this mandate
Why are people ok with mandatory car insurance but not health insurance?
Why aren't people taking care of themselves?
the answer... Idiocracy
It's not affordable WITH the mandate as it stands.
30 million with no insurance is part of the failure.
They can't afford the deductibles.
And guess what?
Most uninsured people live in states with expanded Medicaid.
So that's not the problem either.
originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: veracity
huh??
Are you saying that MY medical insurance covers someone else if they get too close and catch my cold?
originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: xuenchen
it will NOT be affordable without this mandate
Why are people ok with mandatory car insurance but not health insurance?
Why aren't people taking care of themselves?
the answer... Idiocracy
originally posted by: TarzanBeta
originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: xuenchen
it will NOT be affordable without this mandate
Why are people ok with mandatory car insurance but not health insurance?
Why aren't people taking care of themselves?
the answer... Idiocracy
I'm not okay with mandatory auto insurance.
But that's not like health insurance. With auto, you can get liability. With health, if someone injures you, you don't say, "I need your policy information."
That being said, insurance is a scam. It does not benefit you. It benefits the sloths that claim they are working. It's not work to collect money for free without providing a service. That's called stealing.
Since we teach ourselves how to drive and look for potential dangers, we don't get into accidents. In my opinion, even if you're not legally at fault, you are mindlessly at fault. No assumptions should be made when driving, ever.
As for health goes, there is a lot of fear. There are people who actually get sick and there are people who are insane thinking a doctor is the reason they or their children live another year.
Insurance companies win because people are fearful and anxious about too many things.
Doctors are hypochondriacs-by-proxy.
And even more nurses who think their education is complete...
It's a scam.
Wish more people preferred to live and die with honor and dignity and intelligence. It would cost me a lot less.
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: rickymouse
That's not the expensive care. In the 60s and 70s cancer rates were lower, there was no AIDS treatment, and many diseases which were fatal back then, are less fatal today... your life can be extended another 20 years.
Your final 5 years of life involve something like 90% of your total health care costs.
In response to increasing life spans it has become necessary to take advantage of more preventative care, which means moving some of that end of life care forward increasing those costs.
originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: veracity
I see what you are getting at.
But, I don't think that there is a direct correlation to having insurance and taking care of yourself.
Sure, you might go to the doctor if you have insurance, but the copays and deductibles are so insane with ACA that many people still avoid going to the doctor.
The monthly premiums are so high, they can't afford to go to the doctor.
Maybe when rates are lower, and deductibles are lower, because there is more competition, then people can afford to go to the doctor.
originally posted by: TarzanBeta
a reply to: veracity
Getting health insurance doesn't equate to taking care of yourself.
Taking care of yourself means living well, but know that you are going to die and no insurance company and no doctor will ever prevent that.
I read. I simply disagree.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: BlueAjah
Opening up competition isn't going to really change much. The big names (BCBS, Aetna, Cigna, UHC, Caremark) are already competing in all 50 states. The only difference you might see is prices going up in states where insurance is cheaper and prices going down in states where insurance is more expensive as prices become normalized across state lines.
originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: rickymouse
I think the biggest issue with socialized medicine is that the government runs it.
Why should the government have their hands in my health care - at all?
The federal government needs to stay out of my everyday life.