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Trump may not enforce individual health insurance mandate

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posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 06:13 PM
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According to Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president and one of America's most successful women, the Trump Administration might decide to NOT enforce the dreaded Obama.Care mandate that fines people for not having insurance.

The IRS is the enforcer and perhaps a regulation easement might do it.

Kellyanne(💓) also said nobody who has an exchange policy will be losing their policies during any transition period resulting from any changes to the laws.


Trump may not enforce individual health insurance mandate: aide

The Trump administration may no longer enforce a rule requiring individual Americans to carry health insurance or pay a penalty if they do not, a senior White House official said on Sunday

Speaking on ABC's "This Week" program, Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president, said President Donald Trump "may stop enforcing the individual mandate."

Separately, on CBS' "Face the Nation" show, she reiterated Republican promises that no one would lose their health insurance under Obamacare while a replacement is being developed.

"For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during this transition time," she said.






posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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A lot of NEW happy Millennials for Trump!


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posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 06:55 PM
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It should have NEVER been a fine. Or tax.
It should have always been an affordable choice.

I blame the past administration for making it a fine and punishing people who literally can't afford their ridiculous fees and deductibles, and then facing another punishment if they can't pay those fines! It's outrageous.

Bring on a positive change.




posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 06:58 PM
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That would be very welcome... and a good start.

I'll be keeping fingers and toes crossed.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 07:00 PM
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nvm
edit on 22-1-2017 by ausername because: not the mud pit



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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Kellyanne Conway, ... one of America's most successful women


Really. Pollster...

Guess that's today's standard.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 07:12 PM
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Good. The individual mandate was a horrible idea and the Republicans should be ashamed for ever inventing it.



Kellyanne(💓) also said nobody who has an exchange policy will be losing their policies during any transition period resulting from any changes to the laws.


Is this Trump's "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" moment?



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Good. The individual mandate was a horrible idea and the Republicans should be ashamed for ever inventing it.

no gop votes for the aca
the dems own the aca
no revisionist history here



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 07:41 PM
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The worst part of the Obamacare mess is that many employers let their employee insurances go and upped the wage of their workers a bit to cover the Obamacare insurance. The prices of insurance are getting way out of hand, seventeen grand for a family, fifteen for a couple, and thirteen and a half for a single person. Companies can't afford to buy insurance anymore, so they just dumped the free insurance and Obamacare took over.

Now we have a worse situation than we had before Obamacare came out. Giving the doctors an open checkbook with no limits is causing a problem. They are scheduling way too many tests and finding nothing. They do nothing and the people get better, in the same time they would have got better without going to the doctor.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel



Kellyanne Conway, ... one of America's most successful women


Really. Pollster...

Guess that's today's standard.


First Woman to win a Presidential election for the Candidate.

I guess she got the polls right where they counted too.




posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

why are more women not holding up this accomplishment?
if she wasnt there trump would not have won



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: introvert

Good. The individual mandate was a horrible idea and the Republicans should be ashamed for ever inventing it.

no gop votes for the aca
the dems own the aca
no revisionist history here

The Dems are the ones that passed the ACA but the individual mandate was a right wing idea. They tried many times to get it passed and only acted like they were against it because Obama used it.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

It might have been bait too.

We will find out soon I think.




posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 08:12 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: introvert

Good. The individual mandate was a horrible idea and the Republicans should be ashamed for ever inventing it.

no gop votes for the aca
the dems own the aca
no revisionist history here


I did not say they voted for the ACA. I said they invented the individual mandate.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: introvert

source?

so if it was that bad how stupid were the dems for voting it in?
edit on 22/1/2017 by shooterbrody because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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The first step Trump took this week by Executive Order is a start.
It lays the groundwork to start taking apart the ACA, including the fines.

I like the first section.
He said that he would be giving the states the power and creating an open market, which will help costs.


“Section 1. It is the policy of my Administration to seek the prompt repeal of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Law 111-148), as amended (the “Act”). In the meantime, pending such repeal, it is imperative for the executive branch to ensure that the law is being efficiently implemented, take all actions consistent with law to minimize the unwarranted economic and regulatory burdens of the Act, and prepare to afford the States more flexibility and control to create a more free and open healthcare market.

”


This is the section that starts repealing the fines for not having insurance:


Sec. 2. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (Secretary) and the heads of all other executive departments and agencies (agencies) with authorities and responsibilities under the Act shall exercise all authority and discretion available to them to waive, defer, grant exemptions from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement of the Act that would impose a fiscal burden on any State or a cost, fee, tax, penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications.

”


Notice how he specifies not to break any existing laws.
That gives them time to change laws, but does not tell anyone to break laws.
They should just do whatever they can to defer for now.

And - he is giving power to the states in this section.
Yet - he is not leaving the states hanging - he offers them help.


“Sec. 3. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the Secretary and the heads of all other executive departments and agencies with authorities and responsibilities under the Act, shall exercise all authority and discretion available to them to provide greater flexibility to States and cooperate with them in implementing healthcare programs.”



This is the section about creating open markets to increase competition and reduce costs:


“Sec. 4. To the maximum extent permitted by law, the head of each department or agency with responsibilities relating to healthcare or health insurance shall encourage the development of a free and open market in interstate commerce for the offering of healthcare services and health insurance, with the goal of achieving and preserving maximum options for patients and consumers.

”



What this Order clearly does not do:
Take away anyone’s existing healthcare coverage. If individuals and families have insurance coverage through the state exchanges, it does not appear that anything in this EO would interrupt such coverage.
End any specific programs or initiatives. While it’s entirely possible that federal agencies will interpret the directive to stimulate the free marketplace as allowing them to discontinue certain federal programs, no such programs are specifically targeted at this phase.


A Look At Trump’s Executive Order on Obamacare — What Does it Actually Mean?

GREAT start!!!



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: introvert

source?

so if it was that bad how stupid were the dems for voting it in?


Absolutely:


An individual mandate to purchase healthcare was initially proposed by the politically conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989 as an alternative to single-payer health care. From its inception, the idea of an individual mandate was championed by Republican politicians as a free-market approach to health care reform.[13][14] The individual mandate was felt to resonate with conservative principles of individual responsibility, and conservative groups recognized that the healthcare market was unique. Stuart Butler, an early supporter of the individual mandate at the Heritage Foundation, wrote: If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate, but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: introvert

source?

so if it was that bad how stupid were the dems for voting it in?


It was initially added to the ACA as a compromise, instead of single-payer there would be an individual mandate. After the Dems compromised, the Republicans threw them under the bus and did not vote for what they compromised on.

Read the source. It talked about that.
edit on 22-1-2017 by introvert because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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The Individual "Mandate" as it's officially labeled, is actually an OPTIONAL mandate.

"The Democratic authors of Obamacare also limited what the IRS could do to those who don’t pay the mandate’s tax.

Normally, the IRS can send threatening letters warning of civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance, or reach into workers’ paychecks to garnish wages sufficient to recoup unpaid tax penalties.

But the Democratic authors of Obamacare were fearful of a political backlash if the IRS used these same strong-arm tactics to enforce the individual mandate, so they took those measures out of the IRS’s toolbox.

All the IRS can do to collect an unpaid mandate tax is to offset a tax refund otherwise owed to a taxpayer."

Source: www.aei.org...

So far, I haven't met anyone who was forced to pay this. Only those who have done so voluntarily.


edit on 1/22/2017 by carewemust because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 08:39 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
The worst part of the Obamacare mess is that many employers let their employee insurances go and upped the wage of their workers a bit to cover the Obamacare insurance. The prices of insurance are getting way out of hand, seventeen grand for a family, fifteen for a couple, and thirteen and a half for a single person. Companies can't afford to buy insurance anymore, so they just dumped the free insurance and Obamacare took over.

Now we have a worse situation than we had before Obamacare came out. Giving the doctors an open checkbook with no limits is causing a problem. They are scheduling way too many tests and finding nothing. They do nothing and the people get better, in the same time they would have got better without going to the doctor.


More people are insured so that's better. Most people are now properly insured rather than carrying what amounted to inadequate coverage so that's better.

The problem though is that health insurance is simply an unattainable concept, if you want to insure people against the inevitability of getting sick, you have to charge enough in premiums to cover serious ailments for the entire population, and then you have a profit margin on top of that. It just doesn't work. People have wider coverage these days, but the deductibles on the plans themselves have skyrocketed which makes insurance all but unusable for preventative care... in turn this will make things more expensive long term.

Really, we need to just go to single payer. It's the only system people have come up with so far that can actually work.



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