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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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So I am in the process of up grading my seven year old computer. It's been a dependable computer for the better part of 5 years. Left on 24/7. 365 days of the year.

I finally got around to replacing my obsolete video card. The ATI Radeon 3870. A few weeks ago I picked up a nice Asus 780 Ti cheap off of Ebay that I have been playing with. Crysis and Blender/Blenchmark so far.

My system is an Asus Maximus II formula. P45 chipset with a Q9550 @ 3.5 overclock


So my next issue is Crystal Mark disk Info is telling me my velociraptors in Raid 0 are bad.

Why wouldn't they be right ?

Over 52,000 hours on them or 2,184 days power on hours.

Not a single Raid failure in all that time.

Go Western Digital!

Next upgrade?

Some Samsung Evo's SSD's


Can't say I haven't gotten my moneys worth.

I know PCI express 3.0 is backwards compatible with 2.0. Haven't ran into any issues with the video card.

I know SATA III is backwards compatible with SATA II so that isn't a problem.

I know I won't get the Sata III rated speeds on my system.

I am expecting to get at least the theoretical speed on a single drive in Raid 0. Close to at least 500 mb. Getting 250 Read/Write on a 128k Stripe.

From my understanding Windows 7 takes care of trim support so that is my question really.

There won't be any issues with the SSD's right ?

And

Am I like the only one that is still using obsolete hardware?




posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Are you sure your having HDD problems and it is not the software? My RAID0 config also recently died on me using Win7 after 6 years.

I don't think you'll need to spend the $$ on the Samsung EVO, you could just as easily get a SSD that runs at SATAII speeds for cheaper.

I still have a Phenom II BE 945 running at a steady 3.9 on liquid. My newer tower is much faster however.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: JinMI




Are you sure your having HDD problems and it is not the software?


Like 99% sure I am having hard drive issues.

BSOD's out of the blue with fresh install.

Drivers aren't the problem.

Temperature isn't the problem.

Both raptors are in the red.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Sounds similar to my past experiences with failing HDD's.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:31 PM
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I used to build my own computers, it used to save a lot of money to build them. Now I go to office max and buy one on sale. I do not do gaming, just research and chatting at a few places. I can[t build a computer for three hundred bucks. Years ago I could build a computer for three to four hundred bucks with good parts while buying one of less quality already made cost around seven or eight hundred. The three hundred dollar one I now have is more powerful than the ones I used to build.

It used to cost around sixteen or eighteen hundred bucks for computers years ago. You couldn't buy many parts to build them those days, there was no internet.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Try running this (go down to the free trials and select the top one).

If you hdd health is at anything but 100%, then it's the hdd. If it's at 100%, it's something else.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: TerryDon79

Well that is telling me something different.


Both are at 100% and my other two drives are at 98%.

I am incline to agree with Crystal Disk.

I was trying to use Paragon's Backup Utility earlier, and it wouldn't let me.

I was getting an I/O error.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:50 PM
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You have onboard raid or software raid? Surely you dont have a separate raid card, right? Raid0 is the devil. just got raid1 and accept you get a 50% return on space. Back to your Raid0, its very likely if a disk is failing it will still be in the windows event viewer or S.M.A.R.T. logs. I recently saw controller errors in windows on a failing LSI piece of garbage that even MSM was not reporting.

Frankly speaking, you dont need to buy any hard disk that performs faster than the bus can handle. I think you wasted your money if your old rig is sata II and you ran a q9550. To put a better spin on your situation tho, I look forward to your future motherboard/proc/memory upgrade to match your current upgrades.




thx
-d



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: neo96

oh shoot, one more thing. If you are cloning those hard drives, be aware of a possible problem that used to frequently occur. If your hard disks are performing particularly slow after cloning drives from a spinning disk to SSD, it could be an issue with the partition alignment. You can search that topic for more details.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:58 PM
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Frankly speaking, you dont need to buy any hard disk that performs faster than the bus can handle. I think you wasted your money if your old rig is sata II and you ran a q9550. To put a better spin on your situation tho, I look forward to your future motherboard/proc/memory upgrade to match your current upgrades.


It can handle it.

ALthough it takes two to do it.

500+ Read and write speeds plus all the benefits of SSD performance.

Plus the combined storage.

I know it doesn't stack up against m2.

That really isn't a concern.

The main goal is having a back up pc that isn't slower than dog crap.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 11:03 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I get ya. Since I mainly code for a career its unusual for my computer to be more than 3 years aged as the class of asset it is and the write-off I get. So I rotate macwindows desktop and a surface tablet on 3 year cycles one year apart from the next and im never in that 7 years behind situation.

Upgrades are always a positive and im sure it will perform better than your pre-upgrade rig.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 11:06 PM
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a reply to: drewlander




Upgrades are always a positive and im sure it will perform better than your pre-upgrade rig.


It should more storage and faster cache.

I'd love nothing better to go build a new 7700k Z270 rig right now.

Just can't do it.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 11:14 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I have an older rig sitting around just backing up SVN from one of my servers. Its a Sabertooth 990fx with FX 8350 8x Vishera and its every bit as fast as any other machine I have up to date for anything I do. Only in benchmarks Id ever know a difference. So if its getting the job done for you, that is all that matters.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 11:43 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Does crystal disk give a % or just a good/bad?



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 11:56 PM
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a reply to: TerryDon79





Don't know what the deal is.

When I tried to do a backup earlier tonite and Paragon gave me that I/O.

Thought to check the hard drive.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 11:56 PM
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You can get a Sandisk Ultra II SSD for about a hundred bucks less than the Samsung Evo. Slightly slower but definitely saves you a few bucks and still performs great.

As far as issues when cloning from a HDD to a SSD, use Macrium Reflect free edition to clone it. It allows you to drag and drop each partition into the drive you are cloning to and resize them to exactly match how they were on your previous drive.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 12:03 AM
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As far as issues when cloning from a HDD to a SSD, use Macrium Reflect free edition to clone it.


I am a big fan of free ware


Thanks.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 12:43 AM
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Have you upgraded your motherboard and SATA cables? (I read through most of the posts so you may have mentioned it so I'll look back after typing this)

I found that upgrading my SATA cables improved my SSD a lot.

I'm kinda like you in regards to upgrading my PC when something breaks down, otherwise if she's running smoothly I use my money elsewhere. A lot of people are like that. Only those into heavy gaming or graphics usually upgrade their PC annually. I just recently upgraded my PC only after the power supply went out and my motherboard fried.

By the way, did you upgrade your power supply or what is it? With that new video card, it could be taking away from your other parts which could case errors or issues. I learned that the hard way. Had way too many fans which overheated my power supply and burnt out my motherboard

edit on 22-1-2017 by Lostmymarbles because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:11 AM
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a reply to: neo96

Crysal disk is unrealiable! Tagged one of my Crucial M4s as "BAD", next install, nothing changed (S.M.A.R.T left alone) it was perfect again. This was 3 years ago and still, no performance issues or fails. Don´t trust it too much.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 08:39 AM
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By the way, did you upgrade your power supply or what is it?


That was next following the process of elimination.

850 watt so not a question of power.

Could be failing though or inconsistency in output.



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