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President Trump's Day 1 Executive Order Can Severely Damage Obamacare

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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 08:47 AM
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It's been argued by some that the authorization of reduced enforcement doesn't mean much because of the Executive Order's requirement that any such reduction be permitted by law. Wrong! The Trump administration can, if it wants to, throw multiple monkey wrenches into the Obamacare administrative apparatus without running afoul of this constraint. This is so in part because judicial determinations tend not to work as fast as the markets do. Insurers who were already nervous in light of all the ACA repeal talk are yet more already nervous as of this evening. They are going to explode if federal agencies take aggressive action pursuant to the Executive Order. While maybe, maybe ACA supporters can find a plaintiff with some shred of standing and find some judge somewhere who is willing to grant emergency relief ordering the agencies not to reduce enforcement, don't count on it.

President Trump's Day 1 Executive Order Can Severely Damage Obamacare


I realize there's already a thread about Trump's first executive order, but the emphasis of the article linked above is on the in-depth legal repercussions of it. I think this is an issue that will require many threads in the coming weeks.

If you read the article, you'll see how impactful the executive order may be. It could be enough to derail Obamacare all by itself.

Over the last several years I've wondered if Supreme Court Justice Roberts' decision to label the Obamacare individual mandate penalty a tax was a Republican ploy. It gave Republicans a way to get rid of Obamacare in the name of lowering taxes which is something that they usually try to do anyway.
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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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Effin Fantastic . Destroy that piece of crap legislation Trump . (Along with all the rest)
Sayin goodbye to the Obama Legacy ( of mass destruction)



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 08:53 AM
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Your link goes to Forbes and NOT the actual article.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

Why can't he just delay it like Obama did...you know in all dictator fashion. Obama set the precedent. Now Trump should be able to just whatever he wants with it, when he wants his Obama had done it.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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You conveniently forgot to add the last part in your quote.



Please note that I am not arguing that these federal agencies should interpret President Trump's order this broadly. Nor am I contending that they will do so. What I do say, however, is that President Obama's disregard of separation of powers during his administration -- and the acquiescence of many to his doing so in the name of "the greater good" -- has, exactly as predicted, opened the door to President Trump doing as much or more.

The views expressed herein are in my own and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Houston.

www.forbes.com...

The article ultimately disses Obama for beginning the train of Executive Orders, so what was the point of the OP again?



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 09:30 AM
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Obama made Trump sign that order? Was Obama there? Thought I saw pics of just Republicans.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 09:49 AM
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Re: www.nytimes.com...

I can still hear the campaign words in my ears.. "On Day 1, I will start repealing ObamaCare".

As the CNN nutjobs just pointed out, "Donald Trump is not adapting the office well. He's doing exactly what he promised."



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 09:49 AM
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Boys and girls,

One of the centerpieces of the campaign was repealing and replacing Obamacare.

Did you really think Trump was going to get into office and do a 180 and decide to let it stay in force and aid and abet its continuance?

If the man meant what he said, then he's going to work to get rid of it for something else, and this is step 1.

It's really not rocket science, and if you believed him and like the bill, you voted for her.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 09:50 AM
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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 09:51 AM
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a reply to: carewemust


As the CNN nutjobs just pointed out, "Donald Trump is not adapting the office well. He's doing exactly what he promised."


Say wut?

You have to be kidding. No one could be so stupid as to say that. I thought that was the whole point of deciding whom to vote for.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 09:57 AM
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President Trump's Day 1 Executive Order Can Severely Damage Obamacaret

I couldn't help noticing the irony in the title of this thread....I only hope Trump damages Obamacare in direct proportion to the damage Obamacard did to our nation. Laws requiring citizens to purchase healthcare coverage and subsidize low income healthcare for all is a nod to Socialist redistribution and a totalitarian state.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:10 AM
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Did you really think Trump was going to get into office and do a 180 and decide to let it stay in force and aid and abet its continuance?


that`s exactly what a lot of people thought he would do,those people have been wrong about trump every step of the way to his election as president.

the Thing that those people still don`t understand is that trump isn`t a politician so trying to guess what he will do based on what politicians have done in the past isn`t going to work.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 10:15 AM
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Yeah, that's what I've been afraid of since its passage and since Republicans started to waffle so hard over trying to get rid of it and hamstring it even when they had the power to do so.

They "don't like" it because it's politic for them do so, but they love it because it's a vote machine. They figured they could use it as a issue for a long, long time. If the problem actually gets fixed, then they have no issue to run on.

I hate politicians. Creating problems to get votes. They aren't interested in solving anything, and that's why I might have some hope in this presidency. It might fix some things in spite of itself.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 12:14 PM
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Monday, January 23, 2017

Another Obamacare Replacement Plan surfaced today. It's a long-shot, that complicates matters even more.

""Two Republican senators introduced legislation Monday to replace Obamacare amid mounting pressure on the GOP to craft an alternative to the massive healthcare law.

Sens. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Susan Collins of Maine unveiled a bill that they are describing as an "Obamacare replacement plan." The duo is promising that the proposal would give more power to the states on health care policy, increase access to affordable insurance and help cover millions of Americans who are currently uninsured.

At the core of their proposal: Any state that likes Obamacare can keep it.""

Source: edition.cnn.com...

I don't think our elected politicians can help themselves. They've never bothered to learn the K.I.S.S. principle.
-cwm



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 12:20 PM
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Anyone know.. Do the new Presidents usually sign so many executive orders in his first few days?

He's signed at least 4 today.

He's shaking things up, for sure.
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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 12:52 PM
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I think what republicans failed to realize was that the Heritage foundation (a republican think tank) is who came up with Obamacare. Now they have to repeal it, it was their plan. I was furious when Obama dumped single payer and accepted the Heritage Foundations plan. I think it was a genius move now. They have to repeal or look like fools and what they replace it with will not be what they wanted. Lol



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: GraffikPleasure

Because We, the People did not send him to DC to delay Obamacare... we sent him there to DESTROY Obamacare.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: EchoesInTime

Not sure who, if any signed more during their first day as POTUS.

Franklin Roosevelt holds the record at 3,522 EOs during his 3 terms.

2nd place is Woodrow Wilson at 1,803 EOs.

Last place for now was William Henry Harrison at 0. Of course he died only 31 days after taking office.

Here's a list going back to Reagan:

Ronald Reagan 381
George H. W. Bush 166
Bill Clinton 308
George W. Bush 291
Barack Obama 279
Trump 5 (so far)



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: damwel
I think what republicans failed to realize was that the Heritage foundation (a republican think tank) is who came up with Obamacare. Now they have to repeal it, it was their plan. I was furious when Obama dumped single payer and accepted the Heritage Foundations plan. I think it was a genius move now. They have to repeal or look like fools and what they replace it with will not be what they wanted. Lol


But the Heritage "plan" isn't what the ACA is.

Read it and see.

Then read the ACA.




posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: eriktheawful

Thanks for that. I have a feeling Trump will beat Reagans record before he's done.




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