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The Frog in the Boiling Pot of Water.

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posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 05:42 AM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: JoshuaCox

YOU think generals and OFFICERS are hacks as LEADERS?
I question your simplistic logic in the EXTREME.



Some absolutely... Flynn for one. Him and his son pushing the pizzagate none sense... and he is supposed to be an honerable military figure....

Maddox is sold by the media as worse than he is.

Sessions couldn't be a more partisan hack.

Goldman sacks bigwig appointment to "drain the swamp".

Climate change deniers incharge of climate policy.

Just because you used to be in the military doesn't mean you can't be a bought and paid for hack.




posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: MrSensible

But right now someone under the ACA is getting a cancer treatment they would have otherwise been denied. That person would've been shown the door, and on the other side of that door would be a coffin. And that person could have been you.

Emergency medical care has never been denied to anyone, it is against the law. (EMTALA)
Follow up care or physician care is another ball of wax.

ACA is garbage that benefits no one, just the ones with their hands in the pot, and the pot is near empty.

Remove the profit from healthcare and it will fix itself.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: MrSensible

But right now someone under the ACA is getting a cancer treatment they would have otherwise been denied. That person would've been shown the door, and on the other side of that door would be a coffin. And that person could have been you.

Emergency medical care has never been denied to anyone, it is against the law. (EMTALA)
Follow up care or physician care is another ball of wax.

ACA is garbage that benefits no one, just the ones with their hands in the pot, and the pot is near empty.

Remove the profit from healthcare and it will fix itself.



Only immediate medical emergencies and then , you better be able to pay cash for you 1000 per month cancer mess.


They have to treat any immediate medical emergencies. Things like hiv and cancer they are not required to treat you.



Also the ACs has been better for everyonne one with a subsidy.. so it's better for millions of people. Should the insurance companies have been included as a middle man? Absolutely not. But again that was a pre trump (to be fair) GOP insistence.

If trump single payer options the Aca before next year. Then he doesn't make millions of enemies and the frogs don't jump out of the pot...at least not over that.
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posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Blew it at MADOX, NOW I know your eyes are brown.PFFFT.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Offering needed services on a nonprofit basis is not slavery.


Except the fact that the government is a business and people are absolutely making a living on tax revenue. There are people who spend their entire lives working for the government and getting paid for it every single week. You have doctors, nurses and an entire medical industry producing overpriced services and products. Some of these people are sitting in mansions with 5 car garages while ordinary people are struggling to pay $500 a month for "affordable" health insurance under Obama's draconian law.

This ON TOP OF all the taxes working people were already paying to support the bloated government that none of us ever voted for. You can call it anything you like. I call it slavery.



It's what every single government in history has done. All of them..forever.


Yeah. We had a little war with Britain about that a couple hundred years ago. Maybe you've heard of it. Of particular interest (at the time) was "taxation without representation". If you live in America today and you're not happy with the taxes you're paying, who is representing you? Absolutely no one.

Yes. Government has always been a racket wearing a thin veil of legitimacy. Which just makes it all that much more outrageous when it reaches the brazen heights of forcing people to buy into a protection racket (euphemistically called "health insurance"). I noticed you seem to be skilled at euphemism so I'm sure you know exactly what I mean. It is extortion of the highest order. And it's never going to get any better as long as people like you keep making excuses for it.


If you take the gov away, all cash is worthless and all property is owned by your local warlord.


So this is your argument as to why we have to just shut up and take our Obamacare? We're gonna go back to medieval times if we don't just sit back and let the medical mafia hold us hostage through the government?


All societies have worked on a 60% socialist (public owned) and a 40% private owned bent. The government already pays for the entire inferstructure, health care is just one more facet.


And most of them are gone.
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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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You have doctors, nurses and an entire medical industry producing overpriced services and products. Some of these people are sitting in mansions with 5 car garages while ordinary people are struggling to pay $500 a month for "affordable" health insurance under Obama's draconian law.

Please tell me where those jobs are for doctors and nurses. I have worked in the medical field for over 42 years and all I have ever seen happen for doctors and nurses, is their salaries have continuously gone down, the patient work load has increased, and the demands and requirements have become ridiculous.

42 years ago when I worked as a shock trauma nurse in an inner city hospital, I was paid $75.00 an hour. Nurses in my area in any specialty is lucky to be paid $30.00 an hour, and new nurses with staggering college fees to repay, barely make $20.00 an hour.

You are truly mistaken if you think the government or any other healthcare venue, pays nurses and doctors mansion living wages. That is why there is an ever deepening shortage of healthcare workers. I am watching the older, skilled nurses throwing in the towel. The job is thankless. Everyone expects you to work for free. You are not to have a life. You are to be available 24/7 365 days a year, and you are treated with no respect.

I work for the State as a Forensic Nurse and I am barely keeping my head above water, and because of an unexpected emergency, I came frighteningly close to losing my house and moving to the streets. My house is not a mansion by any standards. I know a lot of doctors and nurse. All of them are struggling. I don't know where you got the idea that average doctors and nurse are living in mansions, it is not true.

The only people living in mansions are the owners of the big businesses. Yes, that includes the insurance companies, and our politicians. I would like to see both the greedy industries and the corrupt government officials kicked to the curb, but we waste too much time and energy beating up on each other, instead of working together to conquer the real enemy.

edit on 23-1-2017 by NightSkyeB4Dawn because: Word edits.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: BrianFlanders

You have doctors, nurses and an entire medical industry producing overpriced services and products. Some of these people are sitting in mansions with 5 car garages while ordinary people are struggling to pay $500 a month for "affordable" health insurance under Obama's draconian law.

Please tell me where those jobs are for doctors and nurses. I have worked in the medical field for over 42 years and all I have ever seen happen for doctors and nurses, is their salaries have continuously gone down, the patient work load has increased, and the demands and requirements have become ridiculous.

42 years ago when I worked as a shock trauma nurse in an inner city hospital, I was paid $75.00 an hour. Nurses in my area in any specialty is lucky to be paid $30.00 an hour, and new nurses with staggering college fees to repay, barely make $20.00 an hour.

You are truly mistaken if you think the government or any other healthcare venue, pays nurses and doctors mansion living wages. That is why there is an ever deepening shortage of healthcare workers. I am watching the older, skilled nurses throwing in the towel. The job is thankless. Everyone expects you to work for free. You are not to have a life. You are to be available 24/7 365 days a year, and you are treated with no respect.

I work for the State as a Forensic Nurse and I am barely keeping my head above water, and because of an unexpected emergency, I came frighteningly close to losing my house and moving to the streets. My house is not a mansion by any standards. I know a lot of doctors and nurse. All of them are struggling. I don't know where you got the idea that average doctors and nurse are living in mansions, it is not true.

The only people living in mansions are the owners of the big businesses. Yes, that includes the insurance companies, and our politicians. I would like to see both the greedy industries and the corrupt government officials kicked to the curb, but we waste too much time and energy beating up on each other, instead of working together to conquer the real enemy.



Which in my opinion is because of the profit margins for whatever umbrella corporation. Such as insurance companies, hospital profits, pharma companies. You could run them all on a nonprofit basis with tax payers dollars.

Cut out the CEO's and shareholders and make the American people the only share holder.



posted on Jan, 24 2017 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox



Which in my opinion is because of the profit margins for whatever umbrella corporation. Such as insurance companies, hospital profits, pharma companies. You could run them all on a nonprofit basis with tax payers dollars.


But when did the tax payers give you permission to take their money and use it for whatever schemes you can come up with? Oh, that's right. They were born. And that's just unforgivable. You choose to be born, you get fined.



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