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Photos: the crowd at Donald Trump’s inauguration vs. Barack Obama’s

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posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth



So now can also agree that they pushed fake news and you are doing it too.


What fake news?


You just said Trump's crowd was weak, as did the MSM. Fake news.



Yes it was very weak by inauguration standards...Massive numbers by Apprentice Reunion standards.

Kind of like 63 Million people voting for Trump was a blowout as long as you don't take into account the 66 Million that voted against him.

Or that his 304 electoral votes was a "landslide" as long as you don't acknowledge that his Electoral margin of victory ranked 46 out 56 Presidential elections.

Trump's childish pettiness and ego driving him and his supporters to invent "Alternate Facts" around his lack of popularity is really inconsequential.

But honestly...denying numbers and reality around attendance is one thing...Doing the same with science, climate change or economic policy?...It's frightening to watch such an insane level of self-serving, narcissistic dishonesty in the WH.

Trump and his minions have literally demonstrated on day 1 that his dishonesty was not a campaign tactic...it is policy.


I see you are perpetuating the MSM fake news... very weak by inauguration standards?

2017 > 1981, 1985, 1989, 1993, 1997, 2001, 2005
2009 > 2017
2013 vs 2017 debatable.

Sorry to burst your fake news bubble.

Here is Bill Clinton's crowd in 1993, his first inauguration and the record before Obama 2009.



Now, continue with your fake news...



Lord...I don't know what to do with your consistent BS...

That pic with Clinton's Inaugural?

See the tents? The National Mall was closed during the Inaugriation...It was used as a concert ground BEFORE Jan. 20th the previous two days though..



Reunion on the mall

America's Reunion on the Mall was a two-day multi-stage festival as part of the 1993 Presidential Inaugural Celebration, held from January 17–19.

One million people attended the event on the National Mall between Capitol Hill and the Washington Monument.
With tents stretching from the Capitol to the Washington Monument, it was reported to be the largest festival ever held on the Mall.


The two-hour outdoor concert that started the festival kicked off the Clinton/Gore Inaugural.
Hundreds of thousands of people attended the free concert, which featured entertainers Michael Jackson, Aretha Franklin, Michael Bolton, Tony Bennett, Bob Dylan, Diana Ross, and rapper LL Cool J.

en.wikipedia.org...



HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Getty Images of the 20TH January Inauguration address and you pretend it's from the days before LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL



No...I said the mall was CLOSED for the actual Inauguration of Clinton...But had been used the two prior days for concerts..

Did you actually read my post?
edit on 23-1-2017 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: UKTruth


3) Trump's crowd was very large (at least the 3rd biggest ever in that location, and possibly the 2nd biggest)

according to........

?

Because so much nope.


So...as snopes points out..



Some media reports cited organizers that pegged the expected crowd size for Trump's inauguration between 700,000 to 900,000 people — still a relatively large gathering.

However, in 2013, Obama's inauguration crowd was an estimated 1 million:


President Bill Clinton, 1993: 800,000 people
President Bill Clinton, 1997: 250,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2001: 300,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2005: 400,000 people
President Barack Obama, 2009: 1.8 million people
President Barack Obama, 2013: 1 million people


www.snopes.com...

So if we took Trump's Inaugural Committees ESTIMATION CLAIMS BEFORE the actual inauguration as accurate..

THEN it would rank at 2 or 3 in attendance..

Unfortunately we have a steady history of mathematical exaggeration with the Trump Campaign and associates..

If the Washington Metro was taken as an indicator...

Metro Ridership:
As of 11am, 193k trips taken so far today.
11am 1/20/13 = 317k, Obama
11am 1/20/09 = 513k, Obama
11am 1/20/05 = 197k) Bush
#wmata

www.vox.com...





Too late - you were caught pushing fake news.



Too late for what? Math? You are slipping into strange territory here..




The pictures, which you have used as evidence for 2009vs2017, are all available for every Inauguration. It's very clear.
2013 vs 2017 is a debate.


Nice cherry pic...but even then..

How??? 2013 v 2017





My word, you are desperate to prove the fake claim that Trumps crowd was 'very weak by inauguration standards'.
I said 2013 v 2017 is debatable, not that 2017 was greater. Also, picture whilst the speech is happening please.

But lets stick to the main thrust. You said Trumps crowd was "very weak by Inauguration standards".

Yet it was bigger than 1981, 1985, 1989, 1993, 1997, 2001, and 2005.

Care to walk back your fake news or are you going to pretend images of the other events are not real?

Oh look here is Clinton 1997 and there are TENTS... I suppose he was getting sworn in as part of a concert then as well



edit on 23/1/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

None of your posts can refute that the White House lied about the inaugural attendance and attacked the press for reporting the truth.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Shouldn't you be counting the size of the crowds pushing for and against Brexit while we count our own ants? I mean, if you voted for Brexit, you have some troubles of your own to face up to. Or are you a US citizen in the UK Midlands? Is your family here?



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: UKTruth


It is undeniably false to push a narrative that Trump's inauguration crowds were weak. Fake News.


Compared to the other 44 inaugurations, it was weak. Like the reasons to vote for him. It doesn't matter anyway. The March blew the whole thing apart. FIVE MILLION people marched on Saturday. That out-shines ANY National Mall crowd....EVER. The GLOBAL MALL is much bigger than Trump's weak grasp on the pulse of the population.


Compared to literally every other inauguration? Lol

And you people wonder why the right has their back up about this, when you make claims like that that have literally no factual basis, but your hard-on for pooping on Trump is so great that you'll go wherever you have to go to try and score points.

And that's coming from a guy that has repeatedly said the administration is lying about the number of people that showed up lol



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: UKTruth


3) Trump's crowd was very large (at least the 3rd biggest ever in that location, and possibly the 2nd biggest)

according to........

?

Because so much nope.


So...as snopes points out..



Some media reports cited organizers that pegged the expected crowd size for Trump's inauguration between 700,000 to 900,000 people — still a relatively large gathering.

However, in 2013, Obama's inauguration crowd was an estimated 1 million:


President Bill Clinton, 1993: 800,000 people
President Bill Clinton, 1997: 250,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2001: 300,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2005: 400,000 people
President Barack Obama, 2009: 1.8 million people
President Barack Obama, 2013: 1 million people


www.snopes.com...

So if we took Trump's Inaugural Committees ESTIMATION CLAIMS BEFORE the actual inauguration as accurate..

THEN it would rank at 2 or 3 in attendance..

Unfortunately we have a steady history of mathematical exaggeration with the Trump Campaign and associates..

If the Washington Metro was taken as an indicator...

Metro Ridership:
As of 11am, 193k trips taken so far today.
11am 1/20/13 = 317k, Obama
11am 1/20/09 = 513k, Obama
11am 1/20/05 = 197k) Bush
#wmata

www.vox.com...





Too late - you were caught pushing fake news.



Too late for what? Math? You are slipping into strange territory here..




The pictures, which you have used as evidence for 2009vs2017, are all available for every Inauguration. It's very clear.
2013 vs 2017 is a debate.


Nice cherry pic...but even then..

How??? 2013 v 2017





But lets stick to the main thrust. You said Trumps crowd was "very weak by Inauguration standards".

Yet it was bigger than 1981, 1985, 1989, 1993, 1997, 2001, and 2005.

Care to walk back your fake news or are you going to pretend images of the other events are not real


????

President Bill Clinton, 1993: 800,000 people
President Bill Clinton, 1997: 250,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2001: 300,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2005: 400,000 people
President Barack Obama, 2009: 1.8 million people
President Barack Obama, 2013: 1 million people

www.snopes.com...


So...By my math your claim has now morphed to Greater than 800k (1993) ???
The highest attendance amongst you shrinking math and time reality?

I will set aside that Clinton's inauguration were multiple day events with concerts and stick with just the actual inauguration attendance at 800k.

Please show me the reliable estimate that Trump's Inauguration had in excess of 800k.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth


Can we stick to Inaugurations? Where trump has one of the biggest crowds in the history of the event, either second or 3rd.

Definitely NOT second. Head count estimates are not official yet. The aerial photographs speak for themselves, and I posted one from 11 minutes prior to the "Bible minute." That was while "God" was there being heavy handed and not rapturing up his fans. After Pence was sworn in.

At least there's a sliver of hope that he'll actually "come to Jesus" and realize that he is supposed to be caring for the weak, not boasting, not lying, not stealing and coveting. If his Bible friends hold him accountable for all of those directives, we might have a chance. Not looking too good though.

His nominees are uber-right wing and opposers of civil rights. Look up their histories for yourself.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth



So now can also agree that they pushed fake news and you are doing it too.


What fake news?


You just said Trump's crowd was weak, as did the MSM. Fake news.



Yes it was very weak by inauguration standards...Massive numbers by Apprentice Reunion standards.

Kind of like 63 Million people voting for Trump was a blowout as long as you don't take into account the 66 Million that voted against him.

Or that his 304 electoral votes was a "landslide" as long as you don't acknowledge that his Electoral margin of victory ranked 46 out 56 Presidential elections.

Trump's childish pettiness and ego driving him and his supporters to invent "Alternate Facts" around his lack of popularity is really inconsequential.

But honestly...denying numbers and reality around attendance is one thing...Doing the same with science, climate change or economic policy?...It's frightening to watch such an insane level of self-serving, narcissistic dishonesty in the WH.

Trump and his minions have literally demonstrated on day 1 that his dishonesty was not a campaign tactic...it is policy.


I see you are perpetuating the MSM fake news... very weak by inauguration standards?

2017 > 1981, 1985, 1989, 1993, 1997, 2001, 2005
2009 > 2017
2013 vs 2017 debatable.

Sorry to burst your fake news bubble.

Here is Bill Clinton's crowd in 1993, his first inauguration and the record before Obama 2009.



Now, continue with your fake news...



Lord...I don't know what to do with your consistent BS...

That pic with Clinton's Inaugural?

See the tents? The National Mall was closed during the Inaugriation...It was used as a concert ground BEFORE Jan. 20th the previous two days though..



Reunion on the mall

America's Reunion on the Mall was a two-day multi-stage festival as part of the 1993 Presidential Inaugural Celebration, held from January 17–19.

One million people attended the event on the National Mall between Capitol Hill and the Washington Monument.
With tents stretching from the Capitol to the Washington Monument, it was reported to be the largest festival ever held on the Mall.


The two-hour outdoor concert that started the festival kicked off the Clinton/Gore Inaugural.
Hundreds of thousands of people attended the free concert, which featured entertainers Michael Jackson, Aretha Franklin, Michael Bolton, Tony Bennett, Bob Dylan, Diana Ross, and rapper LL Cool J.

en.wikipedia.org...



HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Getty Images of the 20TH January Inauguration address and you pretend it's from the days before LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL



No...I said the mall was CLOSED for the actual Inauguration of Clinton...But had been used the two prior days for concerts..

Did you actually read my post?


Ah, so some excuses.
Fact : Clinton's 1993 Inauguration crowd was smaller than Trumps. As was every other inauguration at this location since 1981, other than 2009 and possibly 2013.
So, not 'very weak' by inauguration standards at all, after all.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: UKTruth


Can we stick to Inaugurations? Where trump has one of the biggest crowds in the history of the event, either second or 3rd.

Definitely NOT second. Head count estimates are not official yet. The aerial photographs speak for themselves, and I posted one from 11 minutes prior to the "Bible minute." That was while "God" was there being heavy handed and not rapturing up his fans. After Pence was sworn in.

At least there's a sliver of hope that he'll actually "come to Jesus" and realize that he is supposed to be caring for the weak, not boasting, not lying, not stealing and coveting. If his Bible friends hold him accountable for all of those directives, we might have a chance. Not looking too good though.

His nominees are uber-right wing and opposers of civil rights. Look up their histories for yourself.



Yes, I'd say probably 3rd, not 2nd, of all Inaugurations held at the location.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: UKTruth


3) Trump's crowd was very large (at least the 3rd biggest ever in that location, and possibly the 2nd biggest)

according to........

?

Because so much nope.


So...as snopes points out..



Some media reports cited organizers that pegged the expected crowd size for Trump's inauguration between 700,000 to 900,000 people — still a relatively large gathering.

However, in 2013, Obama's inauguration crowd was an estimated 1 million:


President Bill Clinton, 1993: 800,000 people
President Bill Clinton, 1997: 250,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2001: 300,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2005: 400,000 people
President Barack Obama, 2009: 1.8 million people
President Barack Obama, 2013: 1 million people


www.snopes.com...

So if we took Trump's Inaugural Committees ESTIMATION CLAIMS BEFORE the actual inauguration as accurate..

THEN it would rank at 2 or 3 in attendance..

Unfortunately we have a steady history of mathematical exaggeration with the Trump Campaign and associates..

If the Washington Metro was taken as an indicator...

Metro Ridership:
As of 11am, 193k trips taken so far today.
11am 1/20/13 = 317k, Obama
11am 1/20/09 = 513k, Obama
11am 1/20/05 = 197k) Bush
#wmata

www.vox.com...





Too late - you were caught pushing fake news.



Too late for what? Math? You are slipping into strange territory here..




The pictures, which you have used as evidence for 2009vs2017, are all available for every Inauguration. It's very clear.
2013 vs 2017 is a debate.


Nice cherry pic...but even then..

How??? 2013 v 2017





But lets stick to the main thrust. You said Trumps crowd was "very weak by Inauguration standards".

Yet it was bigger than 1981, 1985, 1989, 1993, 1997, 2001, and 2005.

Care to walk back your fake news or are you going to pretend images of the other events are not real


????

President Bill Clinton, 1993: 800,000 people
President Bill Clinton, 1997: 250,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2001: 300,000 people
President George W. Bush, 2005: 400,000 people
President Barack Obama, 2009: 1.8 million people
President Barack Obama, 2013: 1 million people

www.snopes.com...


So...By my math your claim has now morphed to Greater than 800k (1993) ???
The highest attendance amongst you shrinking math and time reality?

I will set aside that Clinton's inauguration were multiple day events with concerts and stick with just the actual inauguration attendance at 800k.

Please show me the reliable estimate that Trump's Inauguration had in excess of 800k.


Ah, you're back to not relying on the actual picture from 1993, yet use it from 2009?
The hypocrisy is stunning.

Clinton 1993


Trump 2017

edit on 23/1/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: Indigo5

im sure when i was watching from all the way over in Scotland the crowd was bigger, are you sure you haven't got a pic of the place maybe an hour or so before it started?



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: Indigo5

im sure when i was watching from all the way over in Scotland the crowd was bigger, are you sure you haven't got a pic of the place maybe an hour or so before it started?


he's been posting that pic he got from the MSM for a while. It is about an hour before Trump spoke.
Here is a pic from later down the mall:



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

ugh -- yes. I deal in real fact. Verifiable, photographed, recorded facts. PICS OF WHAT HAPPENED.

Not "alternative facts."

Compared to literally EVERY OTHER INAUGURATION. And here's another fun fact:


Metro @wmata
Metro Ridership: As of 11am, 193k trips taken so far today.

11am 1/20/13 = 317k,
11am 1/20/09 = 513k,
11am 1/20/05 = 197k #wmata
10:34 AM - 20 Jan 2017



The Women’s March on Washington drew at least 500,000 people to the streets of Washington, DC on Saturday — a crowd roughly three times bigger than the audience at President-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration the day before, crowd scientists told the New York Times.

Nationwide, the Women’s March may have been the largest demonstration in US history, with at least 3.3 million people attending marches in more than 500 cities.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UKTruth

None of your posts can refute that the White House lied about the inaugural attendance and attacked the press for reporting the truth.






We've already established the press did not report the truth, and I have not said that Spicer did not lie in the press conference.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Seeing as you have stopped making sense and are no longer attempting to answer direct questions...

Not sure where to go here?

Perhaps read my posts vs. invent claims of what I posted?

Either way...don't have time for either crazy or dishonest..



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: UKTruth

Seeing as you have stopped making sense and are no longer attempting to answer direct questions...

Not sure where to go here?

Perhaps read my posts vs. invent claims of what I posted?

Either way...don't have time for either crazy or dishonest..


The sense is simple.
You claimed that Trump's crowd was very weak by Inauguration standards.
The pictures show that Trumps crowd was bigger than 1981, 85, 89, 93, 97, 01, and 05, smaller than 09 and not clear for 2013.
So your assertion was incorrect/dishonest. Whichever you would prefer.
edit on 23/1/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: Indigo5

im sure when i was watching from all the way over in Scotland the crowd was bigger, are you sure you haven't got a pic of the place maybe an hour or so before it started?


he's been posting that pic he got from the MSM for a while. It is about an hour before Trump spoke.
Here is a pic from later down the mall:



Uh-huh..

Maybe lower the camera angle another 10 feet and you wont se the white patches at all!

Or maybe take an Ariel view for an accurate perspective?

Compare it to another Arial view from the exact same height and angle from other inaugurations?..

Or is that too "logicy" or "sciency" for you liking??



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: Indigo5

im sure when i was watching from all the way over in Scotland the crowd was bigger, are you sure you haven't got a pic of the place maybe an hour or so before it started?


he's been posting that pic he got from the MSM for a while. It is about an hour before Trump spoke.
Here is a pic from later down the mall:



Uh-huh..

Maybe lower the camera angle another 10 feet and you wont se the white patches at all!

Or maybe take an Ariel view for an accurate perspective?

Compare it to another Arial view from the exact same height and angle from other inaugurations?..

Or is that too "logicy" or "sciency" for you liking??



It's pretty clear to anyone not trying to push a false narrative.
Also, it's not in debate your pic was from about an hr before Trump spoke, so unless you think no one arrived in that hr, the crowd obviously got bigger than you showed in an earlier pic.
Is that too 'common sensy' for you.
edit on 23/1/2017 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: UKTruth

Seeing as you have stopped making sense and are no longer attempting to answer direct questions...

Not sure where to go here?

Perhaps read my posts vs. invent claims of what I posted?

Either way...don't have time for either crazy or dishonest..


The sense is simple.
You claimed that Trump's crowd was very weak by Inauguration standards.
The pictures show that Trumps crowd was bigger than 1981, 85, 89, 93, 97, 01, and 05, smaller than 09 and not clear for 2013.


And yet historical photographs and attendance records disagree with your claim and you refuse to provide any evidence to support your claim.

Just saying stuff doesn't make it real.



posted on Jan, 23 2017 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: Indigo5

im sure when i was watching from all the way over in Scotland the crowd was bigger, are you sure you haven't got a pic of the place maybe an hour or so before it started?


he's been posting that pic he got from the MSM for a while. It is about an hour before Trump spoke.
Here is a pic from later down the mall:



Uh-huh..

Maybe lower the camera angle another 10 feet and you wont se the white patches at all!

Or maybe take an Ariel view for an accurate perspective?

Compare it to another Arial view from the exact same height and angle from other inaugurations?..

Or is that too "logicy" or "sciency" for you liking??



It's pretty clear to anyone not trying to push a false narrative.
Also, it's not in debate your pic was from about an hr before Trump spoke, so unless you think no one arrived in that hr, the crowd obviously got bigger than you showed in an earlier pic.


Holy #...So now you are grasping at the time BS?

OK...HERE IS A FULL TIME LAPSE OF THE CROWDS ARRIVING AND AT THE END OF THE VID YOU SEE THE FLOW REVERSE AND BEGIN TO LEAVE AFTER TRUMP TAKES OATH.



How many pics, videos et al do you need to acknowledge reality?
edit on 23-1-2017 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)

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