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The ACA really forced the healthcare and insurance issue

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posted on Jan, 20 2017 @ 01:24 PM
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The Affordable Care Act is likely going to disappear and be replaced with some kind of upgraded or a completely new system. It was an interesting experiment to watch unfold and I think we are all better off for taking the plunge. I remember in my earlier years how difficult it was to get Congress to budge on anything healthcare related. We were stuck for so long.

Now we look at an attempt at another system. What will it be? Trumps plan? Rand Pauls? I don't know much of these new plans, but let's take a serious look at it and see if we're going to benefit. I never thought I'd see the day when Republicans would actually work on healthcare legislation. This used to be a discussion that was "strip down legislation, let the industry self regulate", but we know that doesn't work if the players are cheating. I'm hopeful. We learned a lot from the ACA so let's use that knowledge and move the few working pieces into something better.

Just don't get your hopes and know that the government can't just make everything better. Healthcare is first class in America and almost justifiably as expensive as it is. It's incredibly difficult to bring that level of healthcare to all people.




posted on Jan, 20 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Speak for your self. I lost my healthcare as soon as ACA kicked in

My plan was deemed not acceptable. 25. a week and 2000. deductible

with 20. copays at the MD was very acceptable for me and mine.

I could not find any on the "exchange" for less than 1200. per month
with 5000. deductible.

It was that way for almost everyone I know and some people had to quit

their jobs and apply for Medicaid due to health issues and to avoid the fine.

Total failure as far as I can see.




posted on Jan, 20 2017 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: BrokedownChevy
The Affordable Care Act is likely going to disappear and be replaced with some kind of upgraded or a completely new system. It was an interesting experiment to watch unfold and I think we are all better off for taking the plunge. I remember in my earlier years how difficult it was to get Congress to budge on anything healthcare related. We were stuck for so long.

Now we look at an attempt at another system. What will it be? Trumps plan? Rand Pauls? I don't know much of these new plans, but let's take a serious look at it and see if we're going to benefit. I never thought I'd see the day when Republicans would actually work on healthcare legislation. This used to be a discussion that was "strip down legislation, let the industry self regulate", but we know that doesn't work if the players are cheating. I'm hopeful. We learned a lot from the ACA so let's use that knowledge and move the few working pieces into something better.

Just don't get your hopes and know that the government can't just make everything better. Healthcare is first class in America and almost justifiably as expensive as it is. It's incredibly difficult to bring that level of healthcare to all people.


It isn't even remotely justifiably expensive when you have insurance companies taking a huge chunk of the pie, without actually preforming a healthcare related function....

Imho that is almost the only thing that is wrong with ours and why every other modern country has gone single payer.

For example if 100 billion is spent on all Americans health care, and 30% is going to the profits of insurance companies that are only paper pushers.

That makes our system undenighablt inefficient



posted on Jan, 20 2017 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: ezramullins
a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Speak for your self. I lost my healthcare as soon as ACA kicked in

My plan was deemed not acceptable. 25. a week and 2000. deductible

with 20. copays at the MD was very acceptable for me and mine.

I could not find any on the "exchange" for less than 1200. per month
with 5000. deductible.

It was that way for almost everyone I know and some people had to quit

their jobs and apply for Medicaid due to health issues and to avoid the fine.

Total failure as far as I can see.




The only ones that were canceled didn't cover big surgeries and such. They only covered the everyday BS.

If you were diagnosed with cancer or the kids need a heart transplant your old one prob would have deneied you.



posted on Jan, 20 2017 @ 01:59 PM
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Only in America would the poor be fined for not having healthcare they can't afford in the first place.



posted on Jan, 20 2017 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: ezramullins
a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Speak for your self. I lost my healthcare as soon as ACA kicked in

My plan was deemed not acceptable. 25. a week and 2000. deductible

with 20. copays at the MD was very acceptable for me and mine.

I could not find any on the "exchange" for less than 1200. per month
with 5000. deductible.

It was that way for almost everyone I know and some people had to quit

their jobs and apply for Medicaid due to health issues and to avoid the fine.

Total failure as far as I can see.



Yeah you had it bad..the problem is the things that did work like the millions of people that got healthcare that didn't have it before...the pre existing condition clause that saved my wifes life....without it she would either be dead or we'd be bankrupt. So you can't say it's a total failure. We needed healthcare reform.



posted on Jan, 20 2017 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: amazing

You're right and I stand corrected. I read your story about this a few days ago.


If it saved your wife then it was not a total failure, and I agree that we need healthcare reform.




edit on 20-1-2017 by ezramullins because: adendum



posted on Jan, 20 2017 @ 09:02 PM
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If Republicans do anything better with healthcare, which is doubtful, it is only because of Obamacare.

Before Obamacare Republicans were perfectly happy to watch the insurance industry rip off, scam or bankrupt millions of people every year.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: BrokedownChevy

You obviously have no idea the long term damage done and the liberties taken away by that law.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: CB328

The insurance companies were given $15 billion dollars of our tax payer $, and you think this stopped them from "ripping us off".

www.google.com...

C'mon man. Drop the BS. If you can't see this ACA for a huge scam and attack on rights and freedom then you are a ,,, snip!
edit on 21-1-2017 by KEACHI because: (no reason given)

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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 08:16 AM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: ezramullins
a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Speak for your self. I lost my healthcare as soon as ACA kicked in

My plan was deemed not acceptable. 25. a week and 2000. deductible

with 20. copays at the MD was very acceptable for me and mine.

I could not find any on the "exchange" for less than 1200. per month
with 5000. deductible.

It was that way for almost everyone I know and some people had to quit

their jobs and apply for Medicaid due to health issues and to avoid the fine.

Total failure as far as I can see.



Yeah you had it bad..the problem is the things that did work like the millions of people that got healthcare that didn't have it before...the pre existing condition clause that saved my wifes life....without it she would either be dead or we'd be bankrupt. So you can't say it's a total failure. We needed healthcare reform.

Yeah I got healthcare its medicaid. I have lyme disease. the infectious disease specialist did the minimum required then explained how he does make any money from me and there is nothing else he can do. I am on my own now. I can't get a call back from the neurologist. He also said don't hold your breath, I have #ty insurance and not many will bring me in. He recommended united services for people like me




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