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Secret Socieities: The Point?

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posted on Feb, 24 2005 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by akilles
"The golden age for anagrams began with the Cabala. The Platonists had strange notions as to the influence of anagrammatic virtues, particularly of anagrams evolved from names of persons. It is not surprising, therefore, that the cabalists, like all the Neoplatonists, pretended to discover occult qualities in proper names and in their anagrams."


www.biblebelievers.com...

Plagiarism is not only really lame, I think it is actually illegal. You seem to excel at it.

This might help you.




posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 12:01 AM
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Huh?

Is it so hard to put 10 words in a search engine, and see what site it is from?

I put the quotes around it, signifying it as not original material, why do you insist on everything being so easy?

Is it so you can ignore what is being said? Focus on plagiarism, instead of the contents of the quote?

Axeman, you are so willing to believe, it is almost heart-warming. Sebatwerk said he never had reason not to trust his brothers.

Well, no one I trust has ever layed me down in a coffin, or blindfolded me, made me roll up my pants, or kneel down before someone, they as my Master.

That is submission, That is admitting you are in the dark, and can't find the light without assistance. I can't change your tastes, only make sure you know what you're eating.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by akilles
Huh?

Is it so hard to put 10 words in a search engine, and see what site it is from?

I put the quotes around it, signifying it as not original material, why do you insist on everything being so easy?


Is it so you can ignore what is being said? Focus on plagiarism, instead of the contents of the quote?

Here's a new concept for you: citing your references!


What's being said is rediculous, IMO so there you have it. Why should I focus on nonsense? The excerpt from the Jewish encyclopedia is simply explaining what an anagram is, and yes, from what I have read they do have some significance in qabalah, but again, what's your point?

Oh I forgot, Santa is the boogeyman.
Please. It's a tradition, based on St. Nicholas.

www.stnicholascenter.org...



Axeman, you are so willing to believe, it is almost heart-warming.


You are so ignorant it is almost unbelievable.


Sebatwerk said he never had reason not to trust his brothers.


Yes he did. So what?


Well, no one I trust has ever layed me down in a coffin, or blindfolded me, made me roll up my pants, or kneel down before someone, they as my Master.


I can't see you trusting anyone what with all the paranoid delusions you have expressed here.


That is submission, That is admitting you are in the dark, and can't find the light without assistance. I can't change your tastes, only make sure you know what you're eating.


What makes you think I care what you think about it anyway?


[edit on 2/25/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by akilles
Well, no one I trust has ever layed me down in a coffin, or blindfolded me, made me roll up my pants, or kneel down before someone, they as my Master.

That is submission, That is admitting you are in the dark, and can't find the light without assistance. I can't change your tastes, only make sure you know what you're eating.



Don't be an ignorant fool. I have no problem with any ritual I took part in. They were great experiences, everything about them, and I am a better person for having participated in them. Surely, a ritual that has been participated in by millions and millions of people has something beneficial to it, wouldn't you think? I know it's difficult for you to understand, but if you weren't so paranoid you might learn a thing or two about other people's experiences.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 12:37 AM
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Look, you idiot, it is quite clear there never was a Saint Nicholas in 400 AD, although he had more churches than any other Saint in the Middle Ages, this does not make him more real!

The tradition is not Dutch, was not brought by the Dutch, and that is what is called a deliberate deception. The Dutch settlers were PURITANS and did not believe in venerating saints, for good reason, I might add.

Does that abolish Sinter Klaas enough for you, as you obviously fail to read what is posted, or actually allow your intellect to be stimulated enough to investigate something for yourself.

Even if I posted references (which there is no reason for, if you can find the site, yourself) that would just be another thing for you to be distracted by. Better to think ABOUT what is being said, rather than what is wrong with the person saying it, hm?

Let me ask you personally, Axeman, why is the Annual Dinner celebration for the Freemasons of the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) on July 23? You have one chance at honesty, or admitting you don't know, and want to.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by akilles
Let me ask you personally, Axeman, why is the Annual Dinner celebration for the Freemasons of the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) on July 23? You have one chance at honesty, or admitting you don't know, and want to.



I'm not completely certain but I think it coincides with the Summer Solstice. So what?


Originally posted by akilles
Even if I posted references (which there is no reason for, if you can find the site, yourself) that would just be another thing for you to be distracted by. Better to think ABOUT what is being said, rather than what is wrong with the person saying it, hm?


I wish you would post some references. Frankly, alot of the time, reading your drivel and convoluted logic makes my head hurt.

You are in your own little world dude, that is apparent to everyone but you, methinks.

[edit on 2/25/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by The Axeman

Originally posted by akilles
Let me ask you personally, Axeman, why is the Annual Dinner celebration for the Freemasons of the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) on July 23? You have one chance at honesty, or admitting you don't know, and want to.



I'm not completely certain but I think it coincides with the Summer Solstice. So what?



It's just more proof that Freemasons are planning to take over the world!



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 05:22 AM
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"Sanata Claus is a pagan figure so Freemasons are evil".

You've excelled at illogical conspiracy theory once again.
What are you trying to prove akilles? That paganism existed and still influences modern society?

Well............duh.

The thing is - there are literally thousands of dates, symbols, rituals, all sorts of things that predate Christianity and Islam. It would have been totally dishonest to sweep all of these things away as some of them are pertinent to the way we live. For example, why deny the Summer Solstice? It is an important date in astronomy. These dates are a part of our understanding of how the cosmos works and how our planet is related in the solar system.
If you had your way and we did not acknowledge that pagansim has had an effect on religion we would probably all be still believing the lie that the Earth was flat.
What's your wish akilles, do you want mankind to revert to living in caves? You're outdated. You've been overtaken. Your way of thinking has been proven to be negative.
Paganism isn't evil. It's a fact of life. The fact that you have problems with paganism shows that you have a problem with life.

[edit on 25-2-2005 by Leveller]



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 06:35 AM
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i think jesus was pagan actually and also born in pisces ,also i think we could learn alot more living in a cave all alone with no distractions..
that is what i think..
and can care less what you all think..
i dont like the way you guys are thinking here..where are your little red satanic warnings..

i like mine they make my bland label more interesting..
wish i could have more then 5 ,i would like to plaster warning all over it..
warning this man does not think therefor he isnt
i am not what i am



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by akilles
Let me ask you personally, Axeman, why is the Annual Dinner celebration for the Freemasons of the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) on July 23? You have one chance at honesty, or admitting you don't know, and want to.

July 23?
Just another day
Well, it is Haile Selassie's birthday

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by greenmansmind
i like mine they make my bland label more interesting..
wish i could have more then 5 ,i would like to plaster warning all over it..

At the rate you're going, you may not be around long enough to collect all the warnings you desire.
Less flaming will allow for a long and interesting stay at ATS


[edit on 25-2-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by greenmansmind
also i think we could learn alot more living in a cave all alone with no distractions..
that is what i think..
and can care less what you all think..



Very enlightened. Not
You would learn nothing.

Learning is a social experience. Interaction is the most important of learning tools - if somebody else has already put their hand in the fire, you don't have to kill yourself learning that fire burns.
Also, putting learning into action requires interaction. You may sit in your cave and devise a new wonder drug that cures everyone, but if you don't leave the cave and share it, it's pointless.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by akilles

Let me ask you personally, Axeman, why is the Annual Dinner celebration for the Freemasons of the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) on July 23? You have one chance at honesty, or admitting you don't know, and want to.


Freemasonry has two official Festivals: June 24 and December 27. These are, respectively, St. John the Baptist Day and St. John the Evangelist Day, who are the patron saints of the Order. The Masonic year begins on St. John the Evangelist Day.



[edit on 25-2-2005 by Masonic Light]



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 01:24 PM
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Alright, the name calling has got to stop.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 03:11 PM
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OMG! I found the connection!

July 23 (besides being my mommy's birthday
) = Egypt - Revolution Day (1952).

It's the Egyptian angle again! Argh! Forget the American and French Revolutions! Everyone knows the Freemasons are obsessed with all things Egyptian! [sarcasm]



[edit on 2/25/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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i agree interaction is a great way to help put things in words and share..thou i disagree that we need this in order to learn..
the secret self that is within each of us,not just a fortunate few and withheld from others..can teach us..when i divorce myself from the world of ego and sensual stimuli then we become aware. then we must consciously strive 2 identify ourselves with it thru this identification the seeds of power are sown.. that may b a lot to swallow..
i know it works for me..when i try to learn something and all i do,when i think about it to do something like even this writting it is all screwy,thou when i trust and just do and things happen as if i just had the intelligence with out the words..
i thinkwe have concerned ourselfs to much with the world.what it is and whats in it what we can do with it..rather then understand the origins and purpose..

i hear people say i cant and i am tired and all this stuff..limiting their minds..the little i...MY secret self I. leads me with no help from others..i never get tired etc etc etc..
yes it is good to come out of the cave to share..maybe...so many do not understand this that is with in us..
i barley understand it in words..that is why i use the help of others who walked before me..to be able to bring it out....it is not that i dont know the fire is hot...



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 04:29 PM
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i am just curious why...i just checked out mine and other people kewl red marks and what i see there and what i see in people who dont have red marks..i see a bit of unfairness...many who dont have red marks..do the same thing thou do not have marks..seems like gang rape to me.



posted on Feb, 25 2005 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by greenmansmind
...seems like gang rape to me.


Dammit man you made me spew Mt. Dew all in my keyboard... through my nose, even. *grumbles*



posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 01:23 AM
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u little dammit i made you spew your mtn dew..i made you,not.
u made that agreement on your own..foolish when will you get it right or is it that the wrong way is the right way...so much iresponsbilty here.parasite of the mind of the dream
beyond the physics the way we KNOW
WHY we all clog our minds,all this trying to know all this strugle..when somethings are just known that are beyond our knowing..and we all seek it this knowing on our own levels..we search far and wide when it is right there,can you see your nose..you have to try..well there is no trying with the serets if you allow it will unfold..thou this life the world lives..this money thing material life etc. does not allow it...its all an insane theatre,can you be enlightened by it...MIND FART.. the I part of me is making me do this.. dribbling outside the box

at this momment i see no matter if your in a secret society or religion or philosophy...... ........ .......... .......... no matter where you are there you be......its all goood/god...in all groups/labels there are those who truly awarley seek..and no matter where you are it is the same thing...
and there are those that just like the barbeque...
young souls when you can read between the stains of my dribble dribble
dribble then you will know the way...i am sure some of you do know in your very own way.
creative people must b stopped...
swallow the sun whole die a new death everyday,put your head up your ass and disappear only to rise again under a rainbow following the son..
love your mother kneel to your father respect the exchange tread lightly and dance the step before you .whether you like it or not it is a collective wave you will ride..
maybe by the force of nature...seekn a peace with in such a turbulent nature..an illusion
let your soul shine through...

how many minds(little i's)could handle it if the fabric of our reality torn.
its all good..secrets are good..when you find them may your intentions be GOOD
bet i MAKE you all so happy when i crawl back into my cave...I DONT MAKE ANYONE DO ANYTHING..i dont like the word control or hate or money sorry
black assuming cant
miraculous white majik

dam just felt like i was on some lysegic from my teen yrs..it was all pots fault..yah pot was the gateway....it could nt be that we are trying to see differently linearally because we know we live under alot of unknowing not seeing..
goverment experiment backfired...instead of controling the mind they set the #er free and the thing with wings that nest with in our souls is trying to fly along with it..
have faith be here now and now and now and now..
feel the power..lets not forget femenine too
hey here is a crack~think i will turn around and jump in
wish you all to live up to your full potential.
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posted on Feb, 26 2005 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by greenmansmind
u little dammit i made you spew your mtn dew..i made you,not.
u made that agreement on your own..foolish when will you get it right or is it that the wrong way is the right way...so much iresponsbilty here.parasite of the mind of the dream


Good job on killing this thread. For Christmas, I think I know what to get you: some relevance.



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