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Trump may be one of the most courageous men of our time

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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: GoShredAK

Agreed, if he is the real deal then he is courageous indeed.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I must admit I felt relieved that he was the winner and not HRC. We know she's a globalist, with him there's a chance that he's not.

I found his antics during the campaign to be rather amusing. I was impressed by how effectively he gamed the media to generate free publicity (well played Mr. President!). I thought it remarkable how the media's hysteria toward Trump undermined the effectiveness of their criticism of Trump. Most negative talking points about the man were built on baseless claims, a practice which continues to this day(and this thread even!). He has certainly risen to the role of 'anti-establishment underdog gets a shot at it'. He has talked the talk of that role extensively, and we'll soon find out whether he walks the walk as well.

He has a lot of people excited, in both positive and negative ways. I am content to approach the unfolding scenario with an open mind. I am hopeful, though skeptical and apprehensive as well.

Hysterics aside, some realistic concerns...I share your worry that this could be all an elaborate ruse. We get all drunk on Make America Great Kool-aid and six months later, the dust settles, the hangover goes away and congress just voted in Patriot Act 2.0 or something...that would be kind of a bummer in my opinion.

US hegemony abroad foreign policy continuing under a better PR plan is another realistic possibility to watch for. More Reagan-esque ass whoopings dealt out in the process as opposed to unpopular and prolonged police actions, with the same foreign policy being carried out in the background. It might be more popular with some Americans, that doesn't mean it would actually be any better though.

Another is that he's the 'real deal' alright, but that 'real deal' isn't the kind of 'real deal' we were hoping for. Like he's totally not a globalist, but then the next week he's like 'okay now we're gonna round up all the potsmokers and take em out into a field and shoot em' or some crazy shizzle like that. This rock and roll thing has got to go, or you can't stay out late anymore, or some other such nonsense. Just speculating here. He'll probably be alright.

I personally like some of his cabinet picks, though I don't claim to have followed all of them closely enough to know how I feel about all of them. I thought Ben Carson for Secretary of HUD was an excellent choice. I hope Trump is the good guy whose role he's been playing the last year or so. If so, he may be able to do a lot of good for this country.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 01:35 AM
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I thought I should add that if you're reading this Mr. President, I don't think I have to tell you to be careful, but I will anyway. Looking back at JFK, I've often speculated that one of his biggest mistakes was not taking himself seriously enough. He did not realize the danger he was in until it was too late. Had he stayed in his bunker at the right times, he might have lived to accomplish more than he did. You are playing a dangerous game. Take it seriously. Hunker down if you have to, when you have to.

Back on topic, I thought I should add my opinion that those of you calling that Trump has no support are ignorant, misinformed, or being intentionally dishonest. Trump has inspired powerful sentiments from the populace, for and against. Some very ignorant in nature, some very well informed, on both sides of this issue. You can ignore this if you like, but that's not very realistic in my opinion.

Also I agree with burgerbuddy, if anything were to happen to Trump, it would probably be investigated and/or answered promptly by professionals under an independent chain of command, not so easily swept under the rug like business as usual. He's got people, I think.

Not to mention the social upheaval that such an event might cause. Especially if he really is one of the good guys. This country dealt with losing JFK fairly well, I'm pretty sure losing another JFK like figure would not sit quite so well. There would be trouble over it, most likely.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 03:20 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Why?

Its all been done before, but no one listens to reason and facts anymore. Haven't you heard? This is the post truth, post intelligence, anti-thought era.

Now, whatever gets the most likes on Facebook and the most retweets on Twitter is the Truth, is considered fact. Logic only matters when it agrees with the right, science is only valid if it agrees with the oil companies, and what is more, any argument against Trump will either fall on deaf ears, or cause a firestorm of noise which despite being basesless (assumptions of his honesty, despite his repeated lying), will drown out any truth I could lay down in this situation. And to be frank, if people were going to listen to the truth, they already would have voted differently, like overwhelmingly in favour of third parties.

I have absolutely no reason to comply with your unreasonable request for facts, which is unreasonable precisely because there are no facts to back up any argument for Trump, or for his attitudes, opinions, or intentions. If it does not matter that Trumps supporters abandoned facts enough to support him with messianic fervour, then there is no reason to expect detractors to waste time repeating themselves. Good arguments against his position have been made repeatedly, using facts, and people said that they were sick of experts, sick of talking heads and professors, sick of historians and theologians, and wanted to indulge in the three year old tantrum, the foundationless rant that is a Trump Presidency anyway.

That IS what happened, and I do not have to justify my position with facts anymore, because neither did the man who just won the White House. If that blithering moron, if that drooling lack wit, that graceless, awful piece of walking trash, can be the President based on nothing but feelings, can inflict himself on a nation based on nothing but the weakness of the minds of his grass roots support base, the flaws in character that allow anyone to get behind such a hateful cretin, then I can say what the hell I like.

For the record, my position has more foundation in respect for history, understanding of it and a desire to not see it repeated, than any of the right leaners have expressed over the last fifteen years of political discourse, but again, this is the post truth age, so I am not about to extend myself to the task of explaining why. If you do not like that attitude, perhaps you might consider stopping supporting its poster child, the ferret headed tanning bed addict.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 03:36 AM
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Its all been done before, but no one listens to reason and facts anymore. Haven't you heard? This is the post truth, post intelligence, anti-thought era.

I feel that way every time I read a political response from you lately, you USED to be a sensible intelligent person, now I question my opinion of you.


Now, whatever gets the most likes on Facebook and the most retweets on Twitter is the Truth, is considered fact.

Bad start, most fake news originates from the libs, let's see what's next


Logic only matters when it agrees with the right, science is only valid if it agrees with the oil companies, and what is more, any argument against Trump will either fall on deaf ears, or cause a firestorm of noise which despite being basesless

....wow


And to be frank, if people were going to listen to the truth, they already would have voted differently, like overwhelmingly in favour of third parties.

Gary Johnson? Jill Stein? Really?


I have absolutely no reason to comply with your unreasonable request for facts,

And we have absolutely no reason to believe you are anything than a drunk Brit


Good arguments against his position have been made repeatedly, using facts
That should be sourceable....go for it.


For the record, my position has more foundation in respect for history, understanding of it and a desire to not see it repeated

The Hitler thing? Really? You realize the US not only declared independence from you we made sure the issues that your ilk face wouldn't be faced here. You still have a queen FFS. REALLY A FREAKING QUEEN?


so I am not about to extend myself to the task of explaining why

Which is why most of us consider your drunken rambling opinions to be just that, opinions.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 04:13 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

Vector99,

My respect for you has not diminished one iota, despite the fact that no one here, including you, can explain to me why a man who personifies all the things that people used to say they were sick of about the upper echelons of American society and politics, business and tycoonery, is now the poster child for the working man, something he has never once been in his life.

I respect everyone here on this website, even though I KNOW they are dead wrong about their support for Trump, their reasons for the excuses they make for his clearly indefensible behaviour, the utterly ungentlemanly way he comports himself in both public and private, not to mention the fact that if you wound back the clock ten years or so, people on this website would have considered him to be the prime example of what happens when capitalism becomes a problem, rather than a solution to any problem worth solving.

There has never been an honest answer to any of his detractors, there has never been a factual rebuttal of any claim made against him, there has never been an excuse made for him that held up under scrutiny, all of them being based on appeals to emotion and the wave he was caught up on during the campaign. Go ahead and show a source that is not biased as hell, that says he never settled a case out of court, because he knew he could not win with the facts alone, despite his high priced lawyers and all. Go ahead and show me proof that the man never said the things he was recorded as saying, go ahead and show me proof that he never used his money to lever vulnerable people out of property they were bonded with over the course of decades, just to build casinos that he knew would fail. Go ahead and show me proof that his "University" was not just a scam with a posh title. And while you are at it, once you have roundly failed to show those things, why don't you show me a reason, one reason, why anyone who would do the things he has done JUST TO MAKE DAMNED MONEY OF ALL THINGS, has any business even running for a Presidency, let alone holding it.

And as for drunken opinions, you can assume what you like from my avatar, but I am a working man, and to do the work I do requires absolute mastery of both body and mind while about my work. I can assure you, I am straight sober, and since the untimely death of my iPad about two months ago, I have only been able to post during working hours. Just in case anyone is wondering, no, posting here, even a long post or two here, does not take long enough that it represents a "waste" of my working time. I type extremely fast.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 04:52 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Well, at least you admit you have abandoned reasonable debate.
I wish you luck with your hysteria. Clearer minds will continue to deny ignorance.
I hope you join in eventually.
There is plenty wrong with Trump, but I am yet to find a proper debate on this site, so much easier to just laugh at the ridiculousness of the anti Trump arguments.
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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 04:58 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

He has been in office all of 15 or so hours.

How about we agree that you don't like him at all, and I think he's kind of a slimy guy, and we wait to see what will happen.

Claiming opinions as facts is what fake news sources do. You have been doing that too lately.

The way of the jedi is to be patient.




posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 05:41 AM
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originally posted by: GoShredAK
Trump may be one of the most courageous men of our time

Statistically, that "maybe" becomes completely inconsequential!
It takes no courage to buy the presidency, or to be corrupt and greedy, or to do anything else that he has done.


Assuming Donald Trump is genuine, his intentions are good

This must be your first election.
You must be very young...



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 05:43 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

Its not what he has done in those fifteen hours which concerns me, but the precedent set by the last fifty years of his life.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 05:50 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Vector99

Its not what he has done in those fifteen hours which concerns me, but the precedent set by the last fifty years of his life.



His performance as President will be judged by what he does as President. No more, no less.
It sounds like you have a problem with rich people.
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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Vector99

Its not what he has done in those fifteen hours which concerns me, but the precedent set by the last fifty years of his life.


Just when I think you are becoming rational again you knee-jerk into the liberal idiocy of parroting.

I seriously don't understand your mindset. It's based solely on opinion being fact.

Have a good day.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 06:47 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth

I do not have a problem with rich people. I have a problem with people who happen to be rich, gaining power at the same time. One should never be permitted to be both at once. Either or.

Furthermore, I have a significant problem with the sentiment you express regarding him being judged by his performance in post. His suitability for the post is dependent on his prior conduct, which has been nothing short of disgraceful.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 07:06 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: UKTruth
His suitability for the post is dependent on his prior conduct, which has been nothing short of disgraceful.

If that were the standards we would never have elected officials. A concept I'm not opposed to.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 07:27 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Vector99

Its not what he has done in those fifteen hours which concerns me, but the precedent set by the last fifty years of his life.




Ted Kennedy, dem icon.




posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: GoShredAK

Thanks so much for posting this.

You are right. He's incredibly brave.

I have to say---- I haven't been this happy in a long time. I actually feel a ray of hope for my country. I'd almost given up.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: UKTruth

I do not have a problem with rich people. I have a problem with people who happen to be rich, gaining power at the same time. One should never be permitted to be both at once. Either or.

Furthermore, I have a significant problem with the sentiment you express regarding him being judged by his performance in post. His suitability for the post is dependent on his prior conduct, which has been nothing short of disgraceful.



What an utterly stupid thing to say. Rich people excluded from the Presidency??? What a strange concept.

As for his prior conduct, it has been judged by the people and he was elected President. There is only one thing in his prior conduct that I find questionable... something that happened when he was 23 relating to exclusion of black people from his buildings. I gave him a pass on that because he has subsequently shown, well before his election run, that he is willing to fight for minorities including black people. Nothing else is strange or startling in terms of his behaviour.

I don't particularly like his brash New Yorker style, but I can look beyond sensationalism and propaganda. You, apparently, can not.


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posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 08:06 AM
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The people who have stepped up throughout history may not always have been valiant knights.

Let's give the man a chance. Let's stand together and hope that jobs and pride and stability are restored.

Are you willing to be hopeful? Or maybe we should all live in the realm of negativity and see how that plays out in the world.

Maybe we can join hands and work to rebuild this nation's infrastructure, its economic base, its health care program. Or we can sit around and watch as mad leftists tear apart Washington brick by brick.

In any moment, you are given a choice to contribute to the health of this world or participate in its demise.

And what you decide has never mattered so much.

This isn't about Trump. He's just a metaphor for our angst, our division, our fear.

And right now, as part of this conversation, you are at choice.

Either help to restore this country's sanity or drag yourself down the road of negativity and despair.

Whatever you decide, take responsibility for it.

Be the change you want to see.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

It's pretty simple, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.



posted on Jan, 21 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: MRuss

I will remain hopeful, for precisely as long as threads with such OUTSTANDINGLY ridiculous titles as this one, cease to be made. I will remain hopeful as long as support for the Donald comes with caveats, not with blind joy and witless devotion, which is something I have seen in massive quantities, from people who ought to know better than to worship at the feet of false idols, having been duped before.

I will remain hopeful, as long as people who voted Trump are more wary than they are jubilant, as long as there is no victory lap, as long as those who voted Trump realise that the best they can hope for, is that the damage he does is not lasting, rather than believing that the man is going to lead them to Eldorado. The frankly pitiful, fawning mess that some of his supporters have become over his becoming President, even in the face of the fact that at best, he is not Hillary (which is the only positive thing about it), and at worst has every chance of turning into the biggest tyrant America has seen since the colonial days, has however led me to believe that being hopeful may be a wasted effort, as did the fervour and division politics which defined his entire campaign.



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