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The bus to the Women's March

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posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth


The organizers of the march were mostly Bernie supporters... guess that blows your theory.


No, it strengthens it. Bernie was an outsider too and got stuffed by the establishment.




posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth


You don't represent women. You represent liberal women who share an ideology with liberal men.


Yes - and?

I personally represent nobody. The women's march - is progressive. There have been plenty of fights that have happened in the past few months about exactly that. The March was open to everyone - but there was some disagreement about who could or could not be a sponsor. Philosophical differences caused quite a row - but never was the march closed to anyone. So, all women were welcome, and many many women showed up in spite of those differences - to unite for a common cause

What does that tell you?


Silly statements like 'women hating on women is stupid' carry no basis in reality.

No basis in reality? Women fight with each other all the time - and work against each other, not always with all our best interests in mind. Women still expect women to conform. Read this thread if this confuses you

In fact, I'm not sure what your point is. Care to elaborate? :-)


You are an individual and many, many women do not hold your views.

Yes UK - I said as much earlier in this thread

How can I help you understand?



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: UKTruth

I am aware that his priority list includes making sure people know how big his inauguration crowd was, but putting ultra conservatives on the Supreme Court is something I think will also be pretty top on his list.

He doesn't care whether trans women have to go to the bathroom that is unsafe for them - that is probably true.


Very few people care about where transgenders have to pee - only those that have lost touch with the real issues in the world.
Yes, putting conservative judges in place will be a priority. That does not equate to Roe vs Wade being overturned. Check the Supreme Court make up on the original ruling.


My mom was as liberal and socialist as anyone. She once told me that 'they' would always use the threat of overturning Roe v. Wade to keep women from voting on issues that men have the luxury to vote on. She told me to never be afraid to step away from that issue when other issues matter to me, too. Of course, she would have never voted for Trump, but she would have been cool with me voting for Johnson even though he was never going to win AND even in the face of a looming conservative SC nominee.

Why? Because what matters to me is neutering this two-party divide that divides us.

The night before the election, the Libertarian ticket was polling 4.7% nationwide and my state was going solidly for Trump.

I wanted that magic 5% of the vote and a three party system. I believe achieving that goal would have done far more for women -- and everyone -- than voting for Hillary when your state was going for Trump or Hillary anyway.



I agree - there are so many things that are used to divide the people. Whether you like Trump or not, he stood in front of the world and gave the establishment a dressing down and pledged to hand power back to the people.

It amazes me that half the country were angered by that message and are raging about the divisive issues and that he once said 'p****' instead of letting that message sink in.


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posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: UKTruth


You don't represent women. You represent liberal women who share an ideology with liberal men.


Yes - and?

I personally represent nobody. The women's march - is progressive. There have been plenty of fights that have happened in the past few months about exactly that. The March was open to everyone - but there was some disagreement about who could or could not be a sponsor. Philosophical differences caused quite a row - but never was the march closed to anyone. So, all women were welcome, and many many women showed up in spite of those differences - to unite for a common cause

What does that tell you?


Silly statements like 'women hating on women is stupid' carry no basis in reality.

No basis in reality? Women fight with each other all the time - and work against each other, not always with all our best interests in mind. Women still expect women to conform. Read this thread if this confuses you

In fact, I'm not sure what your point is. Care to elaborate? :-)


You are an individual and many, many women do not hold your views.

Yes UK - I said as much earlier in this thread

How can I help you understand?





Yes I can elaborate but at the same time be brief.

The women (and men) on Saturday did not represent women, rather they represented some women and some specific issues that some people agree with and others don't.
Saying 'women fighting women is stupid' is nonsensical in every way as it assumes all women should be in agreement.

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posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: beansidhe

Minor point: "Muslim" is not a race.


Hi bfft,

When he made his statement, he was talking about a blanket ban on all muslims entering the USA. How would he implement that? All people who look a certain way would be under suspicion, by nature of their ethnicity alone.

In terms of 'what are people protesting about?', these marches have been very important outside of America. They demonstrate clearly to lots of us away from the USA that many, many people in America don't share Trump's views and that they want to let him know that before he starts his new job properly.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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The women (and men) on Saturday did not represent women, rather they represented some women.

Ah - but for the women that were there? Your argument is meaningless. Everyone was represented - even those that felt excluded

So many different kinds of people. The march was about so much more than gender. You should have seen. Peace, love - economics, freedom, reproductive rights, schools for our children, open arms for immigrants, all religions welcome - a real love fest

People think it's silly UK. No, seriously - some really do. They make fun of this stuff


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posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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It blows your theory that the organizers were bought and paid for, and that they wouldn't have been interested in the march if Ted Cruz was elected. They would have been just as interested if Cruz was president or if Pence was president.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: gabewalker




Instead of organizing a "Woman's March" with a vague platform when will the Islamic community speaking out against the radical, fundamental views of their extremists.


Hi gabewalker,

This is probably veering away from the premise of the thread and so apologies to all involved, but to the best of my knowledge various Islamic communities have done and are doing just that.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: UKTruth




The women (and men) on Saturday did not represent women, rather they represented some women.

Ah - but for the women that were there? Your argument is meaningless Everyone was represented - even those that felt excluded

So many different kinds of people. The march was about so much more than gender. You should have seen. Peace, love - economics, freedom, reproductive rights, schools for our children, open arms for immigrants, all religions welcome - a real love fest

People think it's silly UK. No, seriously - some really do. They make fun of this stuff

:-)


Nope. Everyone was not represented. You might like to think that, but many are totally opposed to the messages being put forth from the protests, including many women.

Also, it was televised. I saw speakers spewing hate, not love.

I know it can be easy to get confused in the emotion and euphoria of such a large gathering, but the reality is the people there had their message rejected at the election.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: beansidhe

im not sure....but "looking Muslim" includes being hispanic, as well as ignoring the throngs of Muslim souteast asians.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
It blows your theory that the organizers were bought and paid for, and that they wouldn't have been interested in the march if Ted Cruz was elected. They would have been just as interested if Cruz was president or if Pence was president.


If it helps you to believe that the entire thing was about something other than Trump, then go for it. Sometimes delusion helps the healing process.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
...there are so many things that are used to divide the people. Whether you like Trump or not, he stood in front of the world and gave the establishment a dressing down and pledged to hand power back to the people.

It amazes me that half the country were angered by that message...


It just amazes me that so many people can't seem to grasp why that message resonated with Trump supporters.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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I agree - there are so many things that are used to divide the people. Whether you like Trump or not, he stood in front of the world and gave the establishment a dressing down and pledged to hand power back to the people.


But he didn't hand back power to the people, he gave it back to the corporations he campaigned against the neocons.

He didn't drain any swamp....

www.nytimes.com...

Your ideology is getting in the way of your common sense apparently; it's so sad, really really sad, believe me it's sad.
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posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: UKTruth
...there are so many things that are used to divide the people. Whether you like Trump or not, he stood in front of the world and gave the establishment a dressing down and pledged to hand power back to the people.

It amazes me that half the country were angered by that message...


It just amazes me that so many people can't seem to grasp why that message resonated with Trump supporters.


Whether Trump really means it is another matter, but you'd have thought it would make any person stop and think.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: Byrd
I am on the bus to the Women's March on Washington, and as I type this, we are leaving the starting point at a South Houston mall. The bus is full- 54 of us. There's men and women of all races, age 13 (or so) to elders. Many brought signs; a few brought paper fans of the type we used to use in church.

There's an air of excitement- but also an air of nervousness. I overheard a Chinese woman reassuring someone that she would be safe here in a group. One young woman was crying silently (nerves, she explained)

There was a group of about 30 well wishers to see us off with kazoos and glitter confetti.

Lots of us are live blogging this on Facebook and other platforms. I hope the mods won't mind me putting this here.

ATS doesn't seem to like my phone uploads so I will create a Tumblr account so I can share.

Hmm. The bus captain announced we have wine. This should be fun!


Thank you for the thread and the updates.
That was quite a journey you made, and your willingness to stand up for what you believe in deserves respect. I tip my hat to you.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: UKTruth




I agree - there are so many things that are used to divide the people. Whether you like Trump or not, he stood in front of the world and gave the establishment a dressing down and pledged to hand power back to the people.


But he didn't hand back power to the people, he gave it back to the corporations he campaigned against the neocons.

He didn't drain any swamp....

www.nytimes.com...

Your ideology is getting in the way of your common sense apparently; it's so sad, really really sad, believe me it's sad.


Oh good lord. A NYT article about cabinet picks /facepalm.
I prefer to wait to see what they do, like any sane person would.
We're even seeing it already - pulling out of TPP. Just like he said.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

The protest is essentially an echo chamber then.

Because to people who are not "seeing what you see", the folks protesting are making the entire cause being represented look incredibly bad. My wife said something like, "Jeez, i hope no one associates me with those women" when she was reading news this morning.

Know what I see? I see actions. Words are inconsequential, actions are all that matters. And here is an action: Trump is backing us out of the TPP, and threatening to renegotiate NAFTA, stating no new deals unless they benefit the American people.

What Trump says and Tweets is nothing more than fodder for my humor. What e does...tat is all that matters. And so far, the only thing he has done has been a positive for the middle class.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

just as many are opposed to some of the conservative messages .... what's your point exactly..
because we are women, because we want to retain our rights, our message doesn't deserve to be heard?
too bad you feel that way, because with the kind of turnout that there was, it might be a good idea for those in power to at least listen!



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

It could rather, and does ignore others, so it was a daft thing to say. I wish you all well with your new president, I really, really do. I just hope that he doesn't give you all reason to regret voting him in.



posted on Jan, 22 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: UKTruth

just as many are opposed to some of the conservative messages .... what's your point exactly..
because we are women, because we want to retain our rights, our message doesn't deserve to be heard?
too bad you feel that way, because with the kind of turnout that there was, it might be a good idea for those in power to at least listen!



My point was clear - not all people were represented by the march on Saturday and not all women either. No more , no less.

I don't disagree that it would be wise to at least listen to the message(s) which I have already said. I do think, however, the message was messed up by politicians and celebs. They did you no favours. When you hear people talking about blowing up the Whitehouse and screaming obscenities, or making claims of pedophelia against others, it diminished the entire event as they became talking points that drowned other things out.
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