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US Intel Vets Demand Obama Show Proof of Russian Hacking or Admit It Doesn’t Exist

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posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 07:31 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

you are correct.

it's not just the dems, libs, some repubs think it true to. my mother who i would say is a moderate republican also believes trump is in cahoots with putin.

she is 73 and old school.she gets all her news from the MSM, mainly ABC news (yea i know), and it started for her way back during the race when the first rumors came out. she couldn't stand bilary, but kept on saying she was afraid of trump being involved with putin.

then when the report came out, she started telling me and my brothers when we get together, see i was right he is in cahoots with putin. it doesn't matter what i or anyone in the family says to her about there is nothing but one foreign ex spy's word for it, with no proof. if it's on the nightly news it's the truth.



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posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie


there is nothing but one foreign ex spy's word for it, with no proof. if it's on the nightly news it's the truth.


If you think the "dossier" is the only evidence you must be living at the bottom of a well. When Obama was elected, the Russians moved tanks onto their borders. When Trump was elected, they toasted his victory in the Duma. Just check out RT and other Kremlin sponsored outlets like globalresearch.ca and tell me that the Russians weren't trying to influence the election. In fact, take a close look at the posts of some of his most enthusiastic supporters here on ATS.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 07:37 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

so me some hard evidence.
oh that's right you can't.


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posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Are you serious right now?

So, your argument that the Russians influenced your elections is that they are not moving their troops onto their borders? What? Oh look, Trump has said he wants to cooperate with Russia, that means he's Putin's puppet. If a lying, corrupted, murderous, warmonger criminal had won, believe me when I say that a lot more countries would put their troops in the alert mode.

Your arguments are becoming more ridiculous by the second



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 07:52 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
President Obama has made decisions over the past few weeks, which indicate he's living with a VERY guilty conscience.

I think all those intelligence briefings that showin how much hacking we're doing, and deaths we're responsible for, got to the kind-hearted Obama.


what was hacked?

That is my new question people keep saying the election was hacked... what did the russians hack?



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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With all the "fake news" and half truths being pushed by MSM and the democrats themselves...I can almost understand the hysteria of the left. MANY people aren't smart enough or care enough to do a little research for themselves.


This is one of the main reasons I love Trump's twitter account. Not only is it highly amusing but he responds to these crazy people and calls them out. More people are seeing the truth today than they were, say two years ago. Trump won mainly because of Hillary's and the DNC lies. The fact that they will not admit that shows that they are more worried about "snowing" the American people than working for the American people.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: soulwaxer

Yes this Steve guy put word out that Hillary called Bush Sr and had him use Raytheon satellites to hack machines. I believe I posted it some time ago. They were so sure she would win and that the media had convinced everyone what a jerk Trump was and you know they had all these illegals. Many more Americans are awake now.
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posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

Well that's unfortunate but most of us aren't that dumb. We can understand the difference between influencing an election and rigging g a voting machine and nowhere on any news station have they said that the Russians rigged voting machines.
As a matter of fact they have stressed over and over that that was not the case.

Trust me I get that some people will not understand the news. Truly I do lol.
But most people are not thinking the machines were rigged .

I think you just want something to be righteous about.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

MSM is not forwarding a story that votes were hacked. None of them.
Get real.
That is fake news.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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So in actuality the real misunderstanding is on this site where you think the dems believe the election was rigged.
That is not true but it sure seems to be good for a few pages and stars and flags.

To quote your fearless leader...


S A D . . .



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 10:06 AM
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There is no evidence whatsoever that the Russians hacked the DNC or Podesta. None.
Those making the claims in the intelligence community could well be just playing politics, so it's right for evidence to be demanded.
The only people hiding here are the people making the claims, pretending that no proof can be supplied because it is secret. This is, of course, nonsense. Plenty of additional information could be provided, including server logs with date and time stamps linking hack dates to email dates.

We're left with a 'trust us, it's true' message from some of the most dishonest people on earth - US intelligence.

So, it' simple. Prove it, Obama, or it did not happen as you say.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: infolurker

Well that's unfortunate but most of us aren't that dumb. We can understand the difference between influencing an election and rigging g a voting machine and nowhere on any news station have they said that the Russians rigged voting machines.
As a matter of fact they have stressed over and over that that was not the case.

Trust me I get that some people will not understand the news. Truly I do lol.
But most people are not thinking the machines were rigged .

I think you just want something to be righteous about.
well so what they really are doing is suggesting that Russians planted disinfo in the form of fake news and therefore because of that Trump is not the real winner of the election. More asinine projection from the Democrat Party as they have become the ultimate party of deception and disinfo just as we used to say the KGB did.
lol any more brilliant ideas?



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 10:14 AM
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I don't doubt the Russians did hack Podesta and the DNC, and I wouldn't be surprised if China and friends and adversaries in the Middle East and Europe, as well as several mother's basement dwellers got into these systems.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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I am actually pretty sure that Russians hacked the DNC.
They hack everyone.
So do China, Tawian, Brazil, South Africa, and dozens of other countries. I see it in logs every day.
China hacks are more likely to be government sponsored.
Russia - maybe, but they also have their fair share of criminals and I believe the Russian gov't does not have as much control over their network as people think.
I would be more surprised if someone said that there were no hack attempts against the DNC.
If their security was weak, it was not only the Russians who got in.

What I don't believe is the jump to assumption that it was the Russians who gave documents to WikiLeaks.
I think it is much more likely that those came from someone with internal access to the email archives.
Seth Rich is a likely suspect.

I think that they found Russian IP's in the access logs and used that information to jump to the conclusions that meet their agenda.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 11:38 AM
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I agree with you BlueAjah, the content Wikileaks published was most likely leaked from an internal source, not from an external "hack".

I tend to believe a government sponsored group would cover their tracks pretty well, so you will not even know they were in the system, or leave spoofed info in logs to make it appear someone else had gotten in. They for sure wouldn't be careless.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 11:40 AM
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They're in the middle of an investigation. This is already known. The jobless and people outside government don't get access to classified material until declassified, especially during an ongoing investigation.

More stars and flags for the uninformed. Insane. People praise ignorance. Our society is truly dumbing down.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 11:53 AM
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US Intel Vets Demand Obama Show Proof of Russian Hacking or Admit It Doesn’t Exist

After commuting Mannings sentence they shot themselves in the foot.

Demanding proof from O is asking Michael Moore to go on a diet.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 12:28 PM
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Yet trump insisted the election was rigged and also acknowledged the Russian hacking. You people change like the weather.



posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
So in actuality the real misunderstanding is on this site where you think the dems believe the election was rigged.
That is not true but it sure seems to be good for a few pages and stars and flags.

To quote your fearless leader...


S A D . . .


Yup trump was insistent it was rigged. Though that was his forward planning of the 'didn't even want to win anyway' response that kids do.

And you can bet your mortgage that if hillary had won these boards would be hammered daily with the tinfoil crowd whining about it being rigged, as well as Trumpovic's twitter.
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posted on Jan, 19 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
I am actually pretty sure that Russians hacked the DNC.
They hack everyone.
So do China, Tawian, Brazil, South Africa, and dozens of other countries. I see it in logs every day.
China hacks are more likely to be government sponsored.
Russia - maybe, but they also have their fair share of criminals and I believe the Russian gov't does not have as much control over their network as people think.
I would be more surprised if someone said that there were no hack attempts against the DNC.
If their security was weak, it was not only the Russians who got in.

What I don't believe is the jump to assumption that it was the Russians who gave documents to WikiLeaks.
I think it is much more likely that those came from someone with internal access to the email archives.
Seth Rich is a likely suspect.

I think that they found Russian IP's in the access logs and used that information to jump to the conclusions that meet their agenda.


You list a number of countries and mention that dozens of others hack everyone, but you do not mention the US. Do you realise that the US probably hacks as much, if not more, than all those other countries combined? Were you paying attention to all the info on the NSA leaked by Snowden? Do you remember that even Merkel's phone was hacked?

It's a no-brainer that intelligence agencies do as much hacking as they can get away with.

But all this talk about Russia hacking the DNC to influence the elections is completely beside the point. The point being that, the mainstream media, the intelligence community, and even many members on this site, are arguing that the LEAKED information published by Wikileaks caused Hillary Clinton to lose the election, and that this was not about hacking at all!

There is a huge difference between hacked information and leaked information. The information that supposedly influenced the election was TRUE information leaked to Wikileaks. Julian Assange has made this clear over and over and over again, and also that the information did not come from any official state actors. It was leaked by someone on the inside of the DNC. Even the NSA has admitted that they would be able to trace the source if that information had been hacked from the outside.

If anything, Americans should be THANKFUL that the TRUE information was leaked. It contributed to informing the voters, which contributes to democracy. This was rightfully mentioned by Trump during his recent press conference.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone is actually paying attention here, or even using their brain at all...

soulwaxer
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