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There's no mental illness

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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: Indrasweb
a reply to: tony9802


In regards to what the lady is suffering from; it would appear to be major depressive disorder with psychotic features.

Hope that answers your questions


Would it be alright to go into further detail and describe what exactly she experiences..if there is a confidentiality issue, I entirely understand ..
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: supermilkman

It isn't HATE ,it's only a TOOL.
Hate would actually LEAVE me no choice BUT to attack and kill ,completely cloud martial judgement and BOOM you have Abu Grabe,messy crime scenes and ah...I ain't THAT kind of coward or pussy ,WE as YOUR military are YOUR sin eaters.
Emotions are NOT a part of attacking and killing if YOU want to LIVE ,being it's actor.ONLY control.
It's a tool the wrong mindset cannot grasp use or fathom as they have NOTHING of war inside.
I always have.
I'm sanity as established by the head of Denver VA psychiatry,policemen I know and My second wife actually WANTS to stay...don't know WHY.

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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Indrasweb
a reply to: tony9802
Would it be alright to go into further detail and describe what exactly she experiences..if there is a confidentiality issue, I entirely understand, but I am wondering..


Well, i wouldn't really want to get into too many specifics really tony, i think sharing what i have without any personally identifiable information is probably ok but i may be skating on thin ice. Sorry.

On a more general note; people with psychotic depression as it's known often experience some kind of hallucinations mainly (but not limited to) auditory hallucinations; hearing voices saying derogatory things like "you're useless" "you're worthless" "people would be better off if you were dead" or even " kill yourself" (known as command hallucinations). This obviously severely compounds the chronic depression. There are all kinds of hallucinations that cover all of the senses; tactile (feelings of being touched, sometimes violently or sexually), olfactory (smells, often unpleasant), visual (self explanatory) ... Some people may experience one of these, a combination or, sadly, all of them...
In relation to your first question about spirits etc. It is not uncommon for people to hear the voices of god, demons, the devil and spirits (known and unknown) or to feel as though they are 'under attack' from such an entity.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: supermilkman

It isn't HATE ,it's only a TOOL.
Hate would actually LEAVE me no choice BUT to attack and kill ,completely cloud martial judgement and BOOM you have Abu Grabe,messy crime scenes and ah...I ain't THAT kind of coward or pussy ,WE as YOUR military are YOUR sin eaters.
Emotions are NOT a part of attacking and killing if YOU want to LIVE ,being it's actor.ONLY control.
It's a tool the wrong mindset cannot grasp use or fathom as they have NOTHING of war inside.
I always have.
I'm sanity as established by the head of Denver VA psychiatry,policemen I know and My second wife actually WANTS to stay...don't know WHY.


Can relate to what you say here.

Everyone wants burgers, but no one wants to be v the butcher.

Reminds me of Chris Tucker from Rush Hour 2. Carter says he likes his chickens dead, not alive. The woman proceeds to kill the chicken when he threatens her if she doesn't let the chicken live. Ha!

If it's right before their eyes, it's an unspeakable act. But when it is on the dinner plate, it's a blessing.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: TarzanBeta

Hi Tarzan,

Well, if you feel uncomfortable discussing then i don't want to pry or push you any further.
I hear what you're saying though; it doesn't sound like bipolar in some senses. I think we're too quick to label (for convenience) and individual human experience is far too diverse to realistically have just a handful of catch-all terms. It's woefully inadequate really.

I met a chap once that i would have described as 'uni-polar'. He was ALWAYS 'high'. He laughed all the time, felt he was an amazing person, had loads of energy, felt he could achieve anything, was always taking credit for new inventions that came out (even though he'd never even picked up a pencil let alone a screwdriver) and was just on top of the world. He also ran afoul of the law a couple of times, got into ridiculous amounts of debt, never had any money to look after himself and neglected himself as a result but, he was super happy and none of that bothered HIM at all. He would often say "why would i want to take my medication, they make me feel less happy!" I have to say, i struggled to give him a decent answer

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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: Indrasweb

Lol.

I'm not quite like that. That sounds like having not a care in the world. Not sure what that's like. Lol. Does sound fun!

But I detect your feelings that discussion with me should be limited, with my statement of discomfort providing the out - so it is then. Good day to you friend.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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Mental illness is real, but the real problem is over diagnosis.
I see depressed people put on meds. While the cause of depression is not addressed. Band Aid not cure.
I was once massively depressed because a woman was making my life a living hell. Doctors answer? Chemical Imbalance take meds.
No the problem was removing psycho woman from my life. Got her gone and I was much happier. That was the cure. A tea spoon of cement and facing life.
Doctors would still have me drugged up to this day being babied in a safe room with some playdoh and bubble blowers.

See kids with high energy labelled ADHD and drugged. When I was a kid it was called being hyper and a clip up the ear hole fixed it when it got to be annoying. Otherwise it was accepted kids have low attention spans and a tonne of energy.
Seen normal kids drugged because Mum and Dad simply won't get off their ass and discipline the kids.
(mostly because they're worried they'll be accused of child abuse for actually raising their kids properly)
If you look at the world logically, have no time for bull# and an iota of intelligence you have aspergers.

But yes, if someone is eating their faeces while speaking in tongues, something is clearly wrong with them mentally.

The thing is the gauge we use used to be what was commonly considered normal behaviour.
What the majority of the species did or how they behaved was considered normal. And it makes sense. Majority rules kind of deal.

Just now we humans have taken it too far as we always do. Normal behaviour is labelled mental, and what was once deviant behaviour has been made mainstream and normal.

Honestly waiting for the day when we have Schizophrenic pride parades and people don't need treatment for it because "They were born this way" so it must be 'normal'.

National Alcoholics month, because it's in your genes and just part of who you are.

Modern society has kind of become messed up. We have to label what is different to us, but selectively pick and choose what is considered normal.

I mean I can go have consensual sex with another man despite science and biology showing humans have sex solely to procreate, and it can only be achieved naturally via opposite genders and that is fine and normal these days apparently.
I say I need to have my penis removed because after 40 years of being a man I feel like a woman (despite having no idea what period cramps and female hormones or female thinking feels like. I can ignore my biology and be applauded for it and encouraged to mutilate myself, because people can be whatever they want to be and that is in no way abnormal.

But I call things as I see them and avoid doing stupid things and I am all of a sudden autistic and have a mental illness.
I want 2 consensual wives and I am a deviant. (Yep bring up polygamy with any 'normal' Trans or Gay person and they will be disgusted with it.) We're very selective in terms of acceptance and tolerance.
You say war and murder for profit is wrong, you're mental.
You don't care about money then something is wrong with you.

But have a violent emotional mood swing and it's all poor love, it's not your fault, it's the bipolar, and pats on the back.
(I have a friend who allegedly has bipolar, amazing how she can keep her # together around me, mostly because I tell her to get control of it. But around the poor love brigade she's in bed for days getting waited on hand and foot and going to tax payer funded AC/DC concerts.)
I have mood swings, it's called being human. Just some of us make the effort to control it.

You talk to invisible spaghetti monsters and that is healthy.

Seriously how does that work and how did we get to this point?

A lot of modern mental health with a healthy dose of Political Correctness and ignoring reality has created a confusing mess of hypocrisy.

The answers are simple. But like most modern things they'll never see the light of day because screw common sense and intelligence.
Gone are the days when society was a balance of different people having to co-exist and make sacrifices. It's all about ME and what I WANT!!!
I'll behave how I want when I want instead of being considerate and keeping it behind closed doors where it impacts no one else. Because I was born this way! And I have rights, you don't and my anti social behaviour is not a mental illness.

Now excuse me I have some baskets to go weave.


This post probably sounds mental, it's 5am and I have not slept. But it's okay, it doesn't mean I am mentally ill form exhaustion. It just means I am relaxationally challenged. Now where's my participation ribbon?


But yeah some mental illness is real, some is bollocks. Sadly it's not about rational thinking and diagnosis but all about the person viewing at the time and their feels.

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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: AtomicKangaroo

I definitely relate to this.




posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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Hi I ndrasweb,


Would you ever consider working with say for example an exorcist to see if it could help in cases with symptoms as those you have mentioned? Normally one must receive some psychiatric evaluations, and then perhaps cat scans and mri's, and then a priest or personal spiritual counselor woud help determine if the source of the probem could possibly be spiritual, supernatural or preternatural in nature..I know persons who have suffered the same symptoms, and general protocol is to go see a priest, and start learning about the gothic community nearest you.. spiritual attack, especially when it's of a sexual nature is actually quite common where demonic attack is concerned; abusive profane language as well..many people are exposed to this kind of thing..


ATS IS NOT SENDING THIS THREAD TO SKUNKWORKS..how disappointing, the discussion has been moving along just fine..well there's conspiracy for you.. Just goes to show..
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: TarzanBeta

Ah, i wasn't suggesting that you were like that, i guess i was just using it as an example of how different people's experiences are and that trying to categorise everyone with vague terms like 'bipolar' is really only of limited use. It has it's place but it's far from adequate.

Oh and I have no desire to limit discussion with anyone, happy to chat about most things all day long (although I've had enough of politics just recently
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: TarzanBeta

He's right it's wrong and should not be ,but THAT has never stopped something from happening.
WHY else would we even NEED policing or religion?
If I can take it,I'd best DO it so men without such hoary skills aren't victimized by the damn "MIGHT MAKES RIGHT" eastern armies.
Unfortunately by eschewing the work they push men to suicide because THEY actually convince some of us WE ARE wrong terrible people because of their Hopliphobic culture.
I am ..like a Klingon yes,NOT the stupid death thing but ,honor is our only salvation.
IT IS one specific attack used by Obama and Progs to undermine America's natural strengths and authority for money or control,Cloward and Piven.
The RNC IS control and has been in world affairs.
THEY ARE the Rothchilds and Builderburgers ,so they've had the upper hand since the robber barons MONEY WISE.
Trump is a our version of democracy building in our own country.
WE SAW how thew RNC's policies were divide and conquer so we thought WE'D give it a try by electing a wild card and NOT responding to ANY polls so we could ambush them.
THE WEIRD part is ....we all acted alone.
We are waiting to see if THIS cats like the rest ...SO FAR it's been GREAT.
LOVE most of the cabinet ,a real No sh#t taken group instead of mewling lawyers.
I DIGRESS ,my apologies.
My sanity as a vet is not comparable to a civilian who never killed or fought in war.
THAT is PTSD from VICTIM hood ,not intent and THAT is quite scary to MANY.
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: tony9802

One guy decides that to live is to suffer and you lose your mind!

Why would anyone want to BE convinced that they have a mental illness? Why would anyone want to defend that?

I think That's crazy.

I would much prefer to know that I'm sane and that I'm just having a hard time.

I've only ever been called crazy. Being called sane would be a welcome relief!



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

I didn't mean that it's right. I simply meant sometimes necessary.

If it was right, it wouldn't drive us mad.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: TarzanBeta

How is one supposed to take it when a buddy diagnosed with schizophrenia calls me "weird"?

CRAZY is a nebulous term in a popularity contest applied to attitudes and emotions.
I would suggest people with the worst mental health DON'T like humanity's way so strongly, they rebel from themselves.
What do I know ,I have an ABNORMAL brain...
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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Ok, well, this is a bit of a difficult one i think.

If someone wanted to see a priest or even an exorcist then i would say they absolutely have that right. I personally think that things of that nature (faith healing etc) work because people believe they'll work so, if they wanted to then why not? I have in fact supported client's to attend churches or healing rooms on occasion. Id say "do what works for you".

However, i would not personally recommend or suggest that they did that. One has to be careful not to reinforce or feed into possible delusional beliefs. And should their condition worsen as a result of them acting upon my suggestion i could find myself in some serious trouble. It is possible to do more harm than good in some cases.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: supermilkman

I would like to find a copy of this book..it sounds wonderful..



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: TarzanBeta

How is one supposed to take it when a buddy diagnosed with schizophrenia calls me "weird"?

CRAZY is a nebulous term in a popularity contest applied to attitudes and emotions.
I would suggest people with the worst mental health DON'T like humanity's way so strongly, they rebel from themselves.
What do I know ,I have an ABNORMAL brain...


Headshot. Dead on balls accurate here, I think.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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originally posted by: TarzanBeta
a reply to: tony9802

One guy decides that to live is to suffer and you lose your mind!

Why would anyone want to BE convinced that they have a mental illness? Why would anyone want to defend that?

I think That's crazy.

I would much prefer to know that I'm sane and that I'm just having a hard time.

I've only ever been called crazy. Being called sane would be a welcome relief!


I think you might be trying to respond to the other gentleman, the Virginia Vet..
I'm the other guy, the one who defends homosexuals..and who offered an opinion about the use of spiritual counselors or priests in exorcism for some individuals suffering from purported "mental illness". Many priests are very open minded..many of them are even gay.. as a sidenote i just need to add that Robert De Niro's father was actually gay...isn't that interesting; i think i'm writing this so that people know that not everything about catholicism and not everything about priests is bad..much of it is open minded and progressive;

Idrasweb stated that he had met disorders that involved profane voices, instances of "sexual assault", and in many instances that constitutes demonic attack..if not satellite terrorism..for all we know it could be the NSA, DOD, CIA creating all of these mental issues for people..look up Lauren Moret on mind control, and also, Dr. John T Hall, or Robert Duncan insider.. it's real and the government to be the cause of much of the creation of "mental disorder".


I still can't believe ATS has placed this thread into skunkworks..the moderators are so pathetic.. this thread is excellent..
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 02:19 PM
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That's why you should never allow yourself to fall under a circumstance where visiting those doctors is required. Just recently they passed some type of law or would like to pass a law where disabled people manditorily receive an rfid microship..disabled people include persons with mental disorders.. if you are labelled mental problem, you receive the chip..
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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No, you misunderstand my stance.

I'm comparing my want to reality.

Want: That there is no mental illness.

Reality: There seems to be mental illness.

Do you better understand my response through this lens?

Also, I tend to agree with cav.

The milkman contradicted himself earlier when he said that we are evolved, we shouldn't go back to doing things the way we did - but then in a later post says that conservative political views regarding drugs and native American views on drugs are not right or wrong, but that they are just different cultures. But according to the milkman, who is allegedly my dad's real father, we should face the future and recognize we don't live in villages... And yet, I actually live in a village.

I agree with the milkman concerning how the industry is fascist in many ways. I disagree that there is no mental illness (wouldn't that be nice?), and I disagree with his defeatist and uneducated views. I agree with his general sense of discouragement, but not his views of what is healthy and what is unhealthy.

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