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There's no mental illness

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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:22 AM
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Next to military regimes and educational institutions, the mental health system is one of the most fascist, coercive rackets to ever exist.

The mental health system gives mental illness diagnosis codes when people exhibit a certain range of behavior and emotions. The thing is that just about any behavior, pathology, and emotion can give you a mental illness diagnosis.

If you're happy, you're manic. If you're sad, you have depression. If you're angry, you're bipolar etc. After studying the mental illness labels and previous mental illnesses (homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness) I have concluded that there never was any mental illnesses to begin with.

Psychiatry is not only pseudo-science but also one of the most criminal practices ever!

The Mayoclinic's definition for Schizophrenia:


Behavioral: social isolation, disorganized behavior, aggression, agitation, compulsive behavior, excitability, hostility, repetitive movements, self-harm, or lack of restraint.

Cognitive: thought disorder, delusion, amnesia, belief that an ordinary event has special and personal meaning, belief that thoughts aren't one's own, disorientation, memory loss, mental confusion, slowness in activity, or false belief of superiority

Mood: anger, anxiety, apathy, feeling detached from self, general discontent, loss of interest or pleasure in activities, elevated mood, or inappropriate emotional response

Psychological: hallucination, paranoia, hearing voices, depression, fear, persecutory delusion, or religious delusion
Speech: circumstantial speech, incoherent speech, rapid and frenzied speaking, or speech disorder

Also common: fatigue, impaired motor coordination, or lack of emotional response.


Do you see all of the contradictory conditions? Let's review them again.


Behavioral: social isolation, disorganized behavior, aggression, agitation, compulsive behavior, excitability, hostility, repetitive movements, self-harm, or lack of restraint

Cognitive: thought disorder, delusion, amnesia, belief that an ordinary event has special and personal meaning, belief that thoughts aren't one's own, disorientation, memory loss, mental confusion, slowness in activity, or false belief of superiority
Mood: anger, anxiety, apathy, feeling detached from self, general discontent, loss of interest or pleasure in activities, elevated mood, or inappropriate emotional response.

Psychological: hallucination, paranoia, hearing voices, depression, fear, persecutory delusion, or religious delusion
Speech: circumstantial speech, incoherent speech, rapid and frenzied speaking, or speech disorder

Also common: fatigue, impaired motor coordination, or lack of emotional response.


So anger, fatigue, anxiety, depression, fear, or lack of emotional response are symptoms of schizophrenia but you're also schizophrenic when showing elevated mood, excitability, aggression, and repetitive movements?

Many of these conditions are contradictory! How can you have these conflicting emotional states and still be diagnosed with the same illness?

If apathy is schizophrenic then excitablity would be non-schizophrenic, right? However according to the DSM one is still schizophrenic even if one is both apathetic and/or showing excitability.

One is still schizophrenic if having fatigue and/or repetitive movements. One is still schizophrenic for showing slowness in activity and/or aggression.

They even have a mental illness for people who can't do math as well.

Dyscalculia
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Dyscalculia is difficulty in learning or comprehending arithmetic, such as difficulty in understanding numbers, learning how to manipulate numbers, and learning facts in mathematics. - wiki


So I guess if you can't do math then you're mentally ill? Do they have a pill for that too?

Homosexuality was too used to be a mental illness until 1973
psychology.ucdavis.edu...

In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). - UCDavis


Speaking of homosexuality, if it wasn't for this genius you and I wouldn't be on the very computers that we are using right now.

Alan Turing


Even former psychiatrists like Thomas Szasz are becoming anti-psychiatry.

Thomas Szasz Myth of Mental Illness
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Why do people keep supporting this criminal mental health practice? The current system in general?

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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:33 AM
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You probably have not seen someone smearing their own stools on the walls while scratching their heads with the other hand to the point the skull is exposed...



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:34 AM
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a reply to: supermilkman

I've known people with real mental illness where their reality was not the same as mine. 1000s of black widows running over the floor to kill her that her husband set out as a trap..

but on the whole I think people are way over diagnosed mainly as a tool to harvest money..

Like growing a herd of people addicted to SSRIs...

I've experienced all ranges of human emotion but no one thinks of me as crazy even though my ranges are higher than others.. And the reason for that is I am responsible and "level headed" I make sense even when I seem over excited or under sxcited..

mostly people are "crazy" when they can't handle their emotions.

so in that sense I completely agree,

I jsut don't want to rule out ALL mental illness.
we counting autism?
my second grade class had a "joined class" that would sometimes come over of 6 kids who never learned to talk.. had no idea what social norms were including peeing in the middle of the classroom.. They had some mental illnesses.
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: supermilkman


Why do people keep supporting this
criminal mental health practice?
The current system in general?


Good research and everything else, milkman.

I'll bite. The reason certain people support this criminal
enterprise is maybe because invented disorders, and the
mandated/dictated 'medications' and 'therapy' are the
biggest cash cows since chemo and radiation.

With a little over 40% of the US population now on some form
of pill, that's a lot of windshield wipers for the Mercedes.
And crak n really good looking floozies-- bringing in slabs of
Angus Prime rib eye of fat bigger than both their hoo ha's.

It's good being King. I ain't him by the way.

EDIT: PS: it's also the fattest and most irreproachable control
mechanism since religion. Oh wait, Trotskyites WORSHIP Freud.
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:40 AM
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originally posted by: Indigent
You probably have not seen someone smearing their own stools on the walls while scratching their heads with the other hand to the point the skull is exposed...


Those are behavioral problems, not mental illness.

There are other variables that are not being considered when diagnosing such as a person's diet, nutritition, educational level, whether they're malnourished, got sick from some other unrelated infection, drug interactions, lifestyle choices, brain damage etc.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:44 AM
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a reply to: supermilkman

What an ignorant statement, enjoy your irrational thread.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:47 AM
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originally posted by: Reverbs
a reply to: supermilkman

I've known people with real mental illness where their reality was not the same as mine. 1000s of black widows running over the floor to kill her that her husband set out as a trap..

but on the whole I think people are way over diagnosed mainly as a tool to harvest money..

Like growing a herd of people addicted to SSRIs...

I've experienced all ranges of human emotion but no one thinks of me as crazy even though my ranges are higher than others.. And the reason for that is I am responsible and "level headed" I make sense even when I seem over excited or under sxcited..

mostly people are "crazy" when they can't handle their emotions.

so in that sense I completely agree,

I jsut don't want to rule out ALL mental illness.
we counting autism?
my second grade class had a "joined class" that would sometimes come over of 6 kids who never learned to talk.. had no idea what social norms were including peeing in the middle of the classroom.. They had some mental illnesses.


The mental health system rejects the person's religious beliefs. Many believe in the paranormal/spirit world so why should they be considered hallucinations? Linear science is proving that paranormal phenomena such as telepathy exists.

Secret military experiments have used remote viewing for years.

As for autism it's all BEHAVIORAL problems. People are considered retarded when they don't reach certain milestones in development (i.e. bed wetting in your 20's, playing with toddler toys into adult hood etc.)

You don't correct these problems with mental illness labels and brain damaging medicine, you correct them through behavioral and occupational therapy. You teach one more acceptable behavior, not force feed them pills.
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:50 AM
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Hey Supermilkmas: I have to say that I have shared this philosophy over the years many times. You cannot be healthy or well adjusted, simply, in a sick society. Therefore, all the MMPI's and other psychological testing really mean nothing.
We've simply become a "slotting" paradigm, where we are expecrted to follow others, behavior, thinking, creativity, etc.'

However, have you considered there are myriad possibilities attendant and aggregate of, for lack of a better phrase, mental health issues? Mind and body are connected. WE are only recently understanding the working of the brain, it's chemical composition, its interatction with the environment and public......not to mention, and I will just allude to this because it's one of the those things that cannot be said in 2017: what if[/b[i/] there was technology that was designed to either experminet due to pharmocology, insurance counsling and addiction,e tc. You bet the picure and even stated it in your OP: there is tremendous money to be made in our sickness.

Regards,
tetra



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:51 AM
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a reply to: Indigent

Give me evidence that mental illness exists.

Better yet, disprove all of the former psychiatrists and behavioral health specialists that have come out after years of practice and admitted there never was any mental illness to begin with.

I have linked Thomas Szasz's Myth of Mental Illness. You should read it.
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:55 AM
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I think our posters with diagnosed & managed mental health issues would strongly beg to differ on your assessment.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:57 AM
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originally posted by: tetra50
Hey Supermilkmas: I have to say that I have shared this philosophy over the years many times. You cannot be healthy or well adjusted, simply, in a sick society. Therefore, all the MMPI's and other psychological testing really mean nothing.
We've simply become a "slotting" paradigm, where we are expecrted to follow others, behavior, thinking, creativity, etc.'

However, have you considered there are myriad possibilities attendant and aggregate of, for lack of a better phrase, mental health issues? Mind and body are connected. WE are only recently understanding the working of the brain, it's chemical composition, its interatction with the environment and public......not to mention, and I will just allude to this because it's one of the those things that cannot be said in 2017: what if[/b[i/] there was technology that was designed to either experminet due to pharmocology, insurance counsling and addiction,e tc. You bet the picure and even stated it in your OP: there is tremendous money to be made in our sickness.

Regards,
tetra




Exactly, YOU'RE not crazy the WORLD is crazy. I believe that reality is perception. Not everyone shares the same perception therefore not everyone shares the same reality.

My perception is that things like secret governments, aliens, free energy, and extra sensory perception exists. However a psychiatrist would diagnosis me as insane for sharing these beliefs. I think the mental health system is another tool the elite uses to keep control of the masses from stepping out of line.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: supermilkman

R U from Scientology by chance?



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:08 AM
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a reply to: Nyiah

Society is a messed up place which is why people are not happy or mentally well.

We live in a cartesian materialism paradigm. People are competing over a finite amount of land and resources. This competition leads people to creating new markets when there isn't any easy method to procure more land or resources.

Big pharma and it's psychiatric medicine is just a convenient practice to keep people on a lifelong supply of medicine and therefore make lifelong profit. Of course they don't profit off of curing people, they profit off of long term "treatment," even though this treatment ends up disabling you (e.g. don't drive or operate machinery while taking this medicine - great, how am I suppose to work?).

I ask you this, how did the ancient Egyptians build the Giza pyramids? How did a civilization without electricity, motorized tools, or cranes lift multi-ton stones 400 feet into the air? How were they all precisely leveled and cut to high precision?

It's physically impossible without advanced techhnology. Understanding something as simple as this would make you really question our history and why we're living the way we are currently living. If people asked such questions it would pose a threat to the status quo.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:09 AM
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This is utmost ignorance. Seriously to say this one must have never been around someone, on and off medications, seen a difference between their illness in how they behave? In a perfect world, where all brain chemistry and life is without afflictions, what's described in the OP is might be a merited assessment. However, this is far from being so.

ETA:
You know, more than most I don't trust Big Pharma, it's pills being over-prescribed, it's lobbyist who decry MMJ, etc., but these things are real and there are alternatives to be shared that are finally, but slowly being more explored on and legalized.


ps:Looks like you didn't close the italics tag.
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:11 AM
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a reply to: D8Tee

No, not a scientologist.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:13 AM
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Most mental disorders are really just B/S, but what is worst than a person that is unhappy and gets labeled with depression, is not or miss diagnosis.

I am a person that went thru most of my life thinking the way I feel was normal. Waking up everyday and my first thought was to harm myself. Not know that the voices in my head were not my own.

I did have a tuff go at life but I think some things would have been easier if I knew and got help for what was going on upstairs.

I understand how the systoms for Schizophrenia don't make sense to you, but believe me that they are on point and thats what is so hard about it, haveing conflicting thoughts going on in your head.

Everyday its a fight in my head! From the min I wake up, to the sec I fall asleep.

Its real, and its not fun



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:14 AM
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Either you yourself are in need of diagnosis and medication, but let delusions and paranoia control you, or you're too oblivious to observe the difference between someone on their badly needed meds and NOT on their badly needed meds. Ever seen an unmedicated bi-polar person cycle? Ever seen them during their manic episodes? BTDT as the unwilling audience, it's hell on them & everyone around them, and absolutely not normal by any means.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: dreamingawake

The side effects and withdrawals from medications leads to the "symptoms" of another mental illness.

It's nothing but a carefully planned racket. People have at the most behavioral problems and that's it.

Then again one should ask maybe their behavioral problems stem from life situation? Maybe one is angry because they were just laid off from their job and not bi-polar?

Maybe one is mourning the loss to a loved one which is why they're depressed?

Why do these doctors feel like they have to profit off other's mental health? Because they don't care about helping you, they only care about making money off of you.

The patient is just a guinea pig to make money.
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posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:22 AM
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I can't access Youtube right now, but if you google Psychiatry, an Industry of Death, you will find a documentary that supports a lot of your argument. It's funded by Scientology, worth a watch anyways. Yea, I think mental illness is vastly over reported, however, I wouldn't say it doesn't exist.



posted on Jan, 18 2017 @ 01:26 AM
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a reply to: supermilkman

Ok, a caveat though. If it's all perception, post modernistic world where truth is malleable through perseption: I'd had to give these exanples, among many: A person is killed by another And like it or not, our actions and emotions affect others profoundly and even our environment.

So there is a delicate line here to tread.....
tetra



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