Releasing Manning = Assange being discredited

a reply to: JoshuaCox

The title is right there for all to see.

You mad a bold claim that turned out to be completely wrong.

Own it.

Admit it.

Lashing out with the personal attacks is just plain pitiful.

originally posted by: loveguy

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

Anyone else think the timing is curious concerning the manning pardon???

Within weeks of Assange claiming he would allow extradition if manning were released...really???

So I see 2 options, honestly both just as likely.

1: Assange got wind of the pardon through a leak and decided to jump on the relevancy wagon.

2: the US government is calling Assange's bluff. Mostly assuming he will renig and be discredited in the eyes of his followers.

Either way I don't think he turns himself in.

He should be in Sweden answering to the sex crime charges so he can be found not guilty and returned to his children?

To be honest, I knew that Assange was holed up in the embassy to avoid Sex Crime charges in Sweden, but that's about it.

What kind of "sex crime"? IF Assange is innocent, I believe he would have done as you suggested, a long time ago.

Grant clemency to the leaker--the legitimate criminal, press charges against the messenger--the press? Nah. Not gonna happen. Assange is no dummy. He is very strategic and analyzed possible outcomes and likely chain of events before going public with that "Manning" challenge issued to the U.S.

Thinking it was a quid pro quo: You destroy the West Wing email leaks, we'll grant clemency to Manning and back off on our bromance with Sweden.

originally posted by: xuenchen
What are the charges against Assange in the U.S. ?

There must be an indictment somewhere.

No there isn't. The idea is to submit Assange to a grand jury which determines if there is a prima facie case against the accused (prima facie - there seems to be a case - yes - no)

According to what I have read in here before, the grand jury convened in the state of Viginia which, apparently, is where many military and SS's personnel live. Its well known that many of these people are very conservative.

Apparently the pentagon and the twin towers are not far away from Virginia. (apologies if I'm wrong, im not from the US)

Therefore, by holding the grand jury in that location the chances of a prima facie case being proven are substantially increased. Moreover, it will means that any jury will also be drawn from the same population thereby maximizing the changes of a guilty verdict.

a reply to: Azureblue

The Federal District Court of Washington DC has jurisdiction over any criminal cases dealing with Julian Assange as Federal Agencies are located within its jurisdiction. No State court will have any jurisdiction. The Pentagon is located within the DC Federal District. The Twin towers were located in New York City, New York, about 230 miles from Washington DC.

Bradley / Chelsie manning was military and therefore subject to the military court system.

quick overview - US government still hunting WikiLeaks as Obama targets whistleblowers

a reply to: Xcathdra

Dont think so mate, Chelsa Manning is a British citizen and not even subject to Americian laws and never should be either.

But dont worry, the UK govt will happily feed him, one of their own citzens, to the sharks. All they need to do is put in a request, no worries.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: PlasticWizard
a reply to: JoshuaCox

It's a commuted sentence, Still not a pardon. In the eyes of the courts she still did the crime. Just got time served. Obviously a pardon is different.

Fair enough he was released though sticking to assange's deal.

Not entirely... Assange asked for a pardon, because that would mean that Obama would have to forgive Manning of the actions..... Obama can't do that, because it would create a precedence for which others could be forgiven.

They can't discredit Assange based on this, because they didn't give him what he asked.

Yes, idiots in the public will call Assange a liar because they can't see the real deal here. But really, who cares. As long as Assange stay safe and continue their work as the patriots and heros they are!