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Releasing Manning = Assange being discredited

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posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:06 PM
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Anyone else think the timing is curious concerning the manning pardon???

Within weeks of Assange claiming he would allow extradition if manning were released...really???






So I see 2 options, honestly both just as likely.

1: Assange got wind of the pardon through a leak and decided to jump on the relevancy wagon.

2: the US government is calling Assange's bluff. Mostly assuming he will renig and be discredited in the eyes of his followers.


Either way I don't think he turns himself in.


edit on 17-1-2017 by JoshuaCox because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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What are the charges against Assange in the U.S. ?

There must be an indictment somewhere.




posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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IMO, it would not discredit Assange. At least not at this point because despite his words we still have no evidence a deal was made. So no deal to break. This could come to light though. All speculation at this point.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

And yes, this. Zero charges filed in U.S. anyway.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:13 PM
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She wasn't pardoned... Her sentence was reduced to 7 years from 20.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: Illumimasontruth
IMO, it would not discredit Assange. At least not at this point because despite his words we still have no evidence a deal was made. So no deal to break. This could come to light though. All speculation at this point.



I mean assange makes a public announcement . Then a week later manning is released.

Now I'm not saying the announcement is legally binding, but it makes it look like assange is a fame whore, not a true believer.
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posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: PlasticWizard
She wasn't pardoned... Her sentence was reduced to 7 years from 20.


Hasn't she already served the 7 years??

So roughly the same thing.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: PlasticWizard
She wasn't pardoned... Her sentence was reduced to 7 years from 20.


Hasn't she already served the 7 years??

So roughly the same thing.


Not quite... A pardon exonerates the person of the crime. A commutation does not as it only reduces the sentence. The guilty verdict remains.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

It's a commuted sentence, Still not a pardon. In the eyes of the courts she still did the crime. Just got time served. Obviously a pardon is different.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
So I see 2 options, honestly both just as likely.

1: Assange got wind of the pardon through a leak and decided to jump on the relevancy wagon.

2: the US government is calling Assange's bluff. Mostly assuming he will renig and be discredited in the eyes of his followers.

3: Assange is already under the "care" of the big boys and made a deal for his collaboration and for keeping the illusion he is not compromised. Now they simply honor their parts of the deal.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:45 PM
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He will allow the US to extradite his cat.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

Anyone else think the timing is curious concerning the manning pardon???

Within weeks of Assange claiming he would allow extradition if manning were released...really???

So I see 2 options, honestly both just as likely.

1: Assange got wind of the pardon through a leak and decided to jump on the relevancy wagon.

2: the US government is calling Assange's bluff. Mostly assuming he will renig and be discredited in the eyes of his followers.

Either way I don't think he turns himself in.


He should be in Sweden answering to the sex crime charges so he can be found not guilty and returned to his children?



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: PlasticWizard
She wasn't pardoned... Her sentence was reduced to 7 years from 20.


Hasn't she already served the 7 years??

So roughly the same thing.


Not quite... A pardon exonerates the person of the crime. A commutation does not as it only reduces the sentence. The guilty verdict remains.

What would be the motivating factor behind this?



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: PlasticWizard
a reply to: JoshuaCox

It's a commuted sentence, Still not a pardon. In the eyes of the courts she still did the crime. Just got time served. Obviously a pardon is different.
Fair enough he was released though sticking to assange's deal.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Bare in mind that the clever move here is not a public tit-for-tat. Manning is getting out, Assange will be getting some breaks yet to be announced. You can count on it.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Here is a post on Wikileaks official twitter page about an hour agotwitter

And this one a few minutes ago twitter

Neither of them seem to confirm that he will give himself up but the first one implies it.

I for one hope he stays put. The US will not be kind for him messing up their plan.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 07:50 PM
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originally posted by: liveandlearn
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Here is a post on Wikileaks official twitter page about an hour agotwitter

And this one a few minutes ago twitter

Neither of them seem to confirm that he will give himself up but the first one implies it.

I for one hope he stays put. The US will not be kind for him messing up their plan.
Nice find. I doubt he actually leaves the embassy...

Though maybe he is just that tired of being stuck there.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 07:51 PM
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originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Bare in mind that the clever move here is not a public tit-for-tat. Manning is getting out, Assange will be getting some breaks yet to be announced. You can count on it.



Breaks??

That's the opposite of him trading himself for manning.



posted on Jan, 17 2017 @ 08:39 PM
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He is a man of his word.

Stop pretending otherwise.

This thread = discredited.

mobile.twitter.com...



Assange lawyer @themtchair on Assange-Manning extradition 'deal': "Everything that he has said he's standing by."







@razhael You received exactly that. "Everything that he has said he's standing by,"--which could not be clearer. Do not pretend otherwise

mobile.twitter.com...


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